00:02.72 archpodnet Okay, so we did already introduce you a little bit samel in the beginning of this episode in terms of your kind of metalworking ah background. But I thought we could maybe talk a bit more about the music side of things and also of course your business that you have making the the carnis and and. 00:17.97 Samuel Um. 00:20.69 archpodnet Your work as a musician. Um, so you founded ah a band I believe I saw and I apologize by the way if any of this information is incorrect. Um, but yeah, go go Funneln go funnel. Um, and we're also part of another group nerd goth. So. 00:29.40 Samuel Yes, you can say good fun on we good for? yeah. 00:35.58 archpodnet What's what kind of music. What was your inspiration for creating those groups. 00:39.88 Samuel So I created these bands way before I started to recreate the Konis and goffhanon is my ah the band I I created in 2016 and it's. Ah, some kind of folk acoustic pagan folk ah or dark folk music using modern both and ancient instruments in it. We just added the the conics in it ah something like 1 or 2 wo years ago. So it's very recent. Um, and I don't have any album yet recorded album with the conics and its but I'm working on it and the other brand Nato never got it's um, it's celting punk music. 01:29.10 archpodnet That cool. 01:31.54 Samuel And it also started way before but I didn't ah create this band. It's ah been a joined something like five or six years ago and um I play guitar in it and we also added the conics on the live set a little bit. 01:38.28 archpodnet Are. 01:48.68 archpodnet Um, and I'm always curious because I as I mean I love that style of music and everything I Always loved it I used to attend a lot of like medieval festivals and things and you always have these amazing bands that I guess are similar styles and just. 01:58.69 Samuel Um, yeah. 02:04.00 archpodnet Such cool music because it's yeah, using these slightly different instruments to what you're used to. But it's kind of recognizable enough but do the the members of of your band I mean were they kind of shall we say modern musicians and then became interested in more historic times or was it. Straight from the beginning I mean like you your first experience with brass instruments was the karnex. 02:27.74 Samuel Now ingohanan. Um, it's mostly a traditional musician or folk and so they are very into historical music. Ah we have ah we have. 02:39.55 archpodnet Um, listen. 02:43.71 Samuel 2 teachers in the band also in french and occitan and also we have another musician that comes from a medieval band. Ah so these are people very interested in in ah historical music. 02:59.70 archpodnet Um, and. 02:59.48 Samuel And in nedergot we are 9 on stage. So it's very different people but it's also people that comes from ah both either metal music or traditional european music. 03:13.86 archpodnet And in terms of I mean we spoke very briefly before about the fact that when you are looking at. For example, ancient or prehistoric music. So before things were written down before notes were written I Guess I mean how. Do you think those sounds that we now associate in the modern day I mean like I was just saying I go to these you know Medieval festivals and I hear the music and I'm like oh yes, that was definitely what they were playing back then but I mean I don't Know. Um, what's the kind of earliest music that we have do you know like how. 03:42.18 Samuel And again. 03:49.24 archpodnet How far back does it go would be really interesting. 03:49.99 Samuel No I have noi ah I know um I know the greeks during antiquities had written music. So I think that the the oldest european music you can found. Um. But yeah I think the the greeks onces. Ah you have the Oulos it's ah ah to someone playing to and kind of read instrument at the same time like 2 obos and you also have ah the leer and singing and drums I think yeah. 04:21.59 archpodnet Um, oh okay and would they have used the same like musical notation that we do. 04:24.52 Samuel If I remember correctly that. 04:32.76 Samuel I Don't think so I don't know a lot about it. But I think it's very different but I know that there is people specialized in it. They ah replay ah the the written music of of ancient greeks. 04:34.50 archpodnet Yeah, that would be all that baby and now I'm curious again. 04:45.22 archpodnet Okay, oh I'll have to look that up see if I can find because yeah, that would be really I mean that's I guess the closest you can get almost to replicating past music. 04:48.00 Samuel So you can find that. 04:56.29 Samuel Um. 05:01.39 archpodnet And so as you sort of mentioned your musical work in in those bands but also by yourself has sort of focused a lot on the kind of I guess Northern Northwest european ah music kind of the traditional music and the folk music I think is is that correct. 05:16.61 Samuel Ah, it depends on goffanon we have influs from different parts in Europe um I sing most of the time in Ocyton ocidania is the one of the original languages of Southern France 05:34.10 archpodnet Um, but. 05:34.59 Samuel Ah, but in in France original languages are dying. It's like almost nobody ah speak them anymore and of course these languages came with a culture with densies with music with dressing. Um, so we also ah sing traditional songs from ocyton southern fronts so that is more mediterranean music I would say but we don't really play it Mediterranean we we tend to make ah dark. 05:53.30 archpodnet Oh cool. 05:58.93 archpodnet Okay. 06:07.41 Samuel Music Ah glow close to um, the heavy metal scene vibe I would say ah but using acoustic instruments and also I sing in English and in and and thought it in swedition in French and ah. 06:12.96 archpodnet Love that? okay. 06:25.15 Samuel Yeah I'm I'm also very ah I like a lot scandinavian music and in the band we have someone playing ah bass nikco harper. You know the some kind of the the swedish Violin with keys so that is ah that is a um, traditional swedish instrument bringing. 06:38.20 archpodnet Okay, ah yes, yeah, they. 06:44.32 Samuel A very ah northern sound I would say so yeah, yeah, yeah, so we we just have ah many different influences in in guffhanan from over Europe and um in nadagot. Ah, it's so. 06:49.60 archpodnet Um, and you sorry Carrie. 07:02.72 Samuel Little bit of the same I will say but it's more ah punk and metal and we ah we have ah a punk drum and the high I gain guitars and we also play a traditional song from Eastern Europe and the mediterraneanean and northern irish. Celtic I would say. 07:21.79 archpodnet Oh no I Always find it So I I was trying to research the history of drums the other day slightly unrelated. Um and it was I found it really interesting How the kind of earliest evidence for drums that we have come from all these different parts of the world and even though they're the same basic instrument. It's. 07:28.11 Samuel Um. 07:37.19 Samuel Here. 07:39.52 archpodnet Slightly different in each part. So I'm always curious with people who work with kind of historic music sort of how much international influence as well. There would have been or I mean do you think there would have been more interaction between different I don't know musical cultures Shall we say like but back in the past. 07:57.34 Samuel Ah, you mean it's all right and for inist understand. 07:59.64 archpodnet No, that's fine. So like ah yeah, if if there would have been if it would have still because at the moment even though we're quite international I Feel like we're still relatively regional in our tastes of you know music and and that kind of thing. But do you think that there would have been. 08:08.47 Samuel Um. 08:14.68 archpodnet Further interactions shall we say musically. So maybe from Africa or from you know, if if you're in the mediterranean whether you have that influence coming in as well or do you think it would still have been quite culturally specific. 08:28.62 Samuel Um, I don't really know. Um, no, but I have I have we we know for sure people still from. Also. 08:33.70 archpodnet That's I I know I'm asking you these random questions. 08:45.54 Samuel Already in prestoric times people were traveling a lot and there is ah a there is instrument found in Europe I'm thinking about the the realm I don't know the english name ah of it in french's home. It's a piece of wood or bone flat. Ah. 08:46.25 archpodnet Oh. 09:05.45 Samuel Attached to a rope and you you yeah you know turn it and it makes some kind of ah of motor sound and and yeah, it's very popular in Australia it's still used and it ah was also found. 09:06.90 archpodnet Ah, that you swing around. Yeah oh I don't know what's that called? Yes, yeah, which is very popular in Australia right? That was yeah. 09:20.70 Samuel The same instrument in a cave in Germany something like twenty ah thousand years bc or something like that. So yeah, next so we. 09:26.00 archpodnet Amazing. The the first german you know backpacker had gone off to Australia Dan his ear abroad pro packe oh what are they called. 09:36.89 Samuel We we found similarities I mean instruments like that a bit everywhere like also the um, the jew harp traveled a lot from asa yeah to Europe yes, it's in Metallik can also be in wood. 09:51.27 archpodnet That's the one you have in your mouth between your teeth and of which I hate playing. 09:56.16 Samuel Yeah I have one here. It's that one you tell. 10:04.25 archpodnet Hey cool so that was sort of found everywhere as well. 10:10.55 Samuel Yeah, yeah, we know this instrument travelled a lot. It's fine in Europe in in Asia in in Southern Asia close to Australia. Also. 10:19.37 archpodnet Interesting. So yeah, so there definitely was a lot of interaction which makes sense because it's a very international language I guess music one of the few. Um, but and I happened to notice when I was looking on your Instagram and I think it is something. 10:23.83 Samuel Um, yeah. 10:35.52 archpodnet Would be interesting to mention. Um these very specifically states that you do not welcome Neo -nazis fascists or nationalists and I remember speaking to other friends who for example are very heavily involved in viking reenactment or that kind of thing they have similar issues. Um, that there's. 10:47.63 Samuel A. 10:54.63 archpodnet Kind of that overlap a lot of the time with those groups and that kind of time period. Do you have a big problem with these groups because of your focus. 11:03.54 Samuel I I don't have a lot I don't know if it's because I said I won one them in my Instagram maybe I hope so but yeah, ah, it's it's the problem when you are speaking about european history and mostly white. 11:14.90 archpodnet Are. 11:18.23 Samuel A European story you will attract and this kind of people and I don't want them to use my work. You know to to sweet they they need all they are they fantasies. Um, so this is why I specifically say that they are not welcome and. 11:30.57 archpodnet Ah, yeah. 11:37.61 Samuel And yeah, they they used to message me sometimes and it's kind of people and and now actually I would say a bit less. Yeah. 11:47.10 archpodnet I Mean you've have made it very clear. They are unwelcome but indeed I always think that's such a shame that you have I don't know that that indeed these parts. It's very specific parts of history and that that ah so yeah, sensitive now like you can't. 12:00.55 Samuel Yes. 12:03.38 archpodnet Always be as passionate about it necessarily as you want to because people might assume the wrong thing as well and which is yeah but now but no I was I was ah it was mainly just I was really interested that it was so specific I wondered if you'd had any particular problems that yeah. 12:08.70 Samuel Hey. 12:18.36 Samuel Now it's just I want them to to use my work. Yeah. 12:23.34 archpodnet Yeah, no, that's fair enough and indeed so so you decided to focus on on creating the the current current Carnix I've spelt it wrong here again I was about to say carings. But no, it's the garnis um with your your business ah operabrador Opca dual for and craft. 12:31.59 Samuel Um, here. 12:39.40 Samuel Um. 12:40.87 archpodnet But that seems a very specific niche. Um, what? what are the sort of advantages or disadvantages of that kind of specialization would you say. 12:42.62 Samuel Yeah, these. 12:50.34 Samuel Um, advantage is that we are very few in europe making these I think we are something like 20 in europe I think something like 5 4 or 5 in France. 12:57.56 archpodnet Um. 13:03.65 Samuel And most of the people recreating the conics are not musicians and and I really wanted to bring this instrument into a musical. Um, how to say a musical. Ah yeah, context of things. 13:17.23 archpodnet Context or yeah. 13:22.21 Samuel Um, so ah, um, we are very few to do it. But ah, that means also ah a lot of people. It's a bit surprising but a lot of people want iconics I have mess ups. Yeah, but. 13:36.59 archpodnet I mean I want one can't afford one but I won't one. 13:41.21 Samuel People are misaging me people are misaging me quite often about auto to get 1 and um, ah so so I yeah even if it's a very a niche thing. Um, but. 13:47.91 archpodnet Um, ah. 14:00.14 Samuel We we have I have a lot of of order. So I don't see a lot of disadvantages in it. Ah, and I really enjoy making them and I specifically want to make only that for the moment to be better at it. 14:07.96 archpodnet That's good. 14:13.51 archpodnet Are at. 14:18.60 Samuel Because every time I make the conics I try to make the next one a little bit better and better and better. So I'm always trying to to modernize the tools and kind of things like that. 14:30.95 archpodnet Um, and ah you I mean the the customers that you have are they kind of like museums that need Replicas or are they just individuals who are interested or like what's the range. 14:40.69 Samuel That there is a bit of everything. Ah, it's it's these ah musicians not musicians just ah, people liking history or that does not want to play or know how to play an instrument at all. 14:51.48 archpodnet Um. 14:55.38 Samuel Also ah, bands a sometimes famous bands I made the first one I made for Elev eighty um also sometimes museums I don't I don't have from now I think but I had also few ah reenactment associations from the ironron age. 15:01.21 archpodnet Um, oh wow. 15:14.73 archpodnet Oh yeah, wide Rangege That's very interesting and actually that so do you ever have when you're playing with ah I don't know how I guess with Corona the Covid Ah maybe you haven't had as many concerts um in the last couple of years. But. 15:15.10 Samuel It's this kind of of things. 15:31.96 archpodnet Have you played at kind of concerts with your ah carnicks as well like concerts so sort of to live audiences. Ah. 15:36.75 Samuel ah but I played what ah yeah yes yes ah yeah with my my band in Goffhanan and is an indian nadaga I we played during I would say the the bust. 2 years or year in a half when the the covid started to to end. Ah. 15:56.95 archpodnet Ok, and did you then have people kind of knowing what the Koenex was or did you get a lot of questions about it. Yeah. 16:06.62 Samuel Ah, yeah, yeah, it brings a lot of question from the audience. Ah before the show mostly and it depends where we play when we play into some kind of Medieval Historical Festival people are a bit aware of what it is. Yeah yeah. 16:19.79 archpodnet They're all like yeah what I have to go Carnix who doesn't. 16:22.68 Samuel But but you know the you know the context it's yeah, the people mostly don't know. 16:28.77 archpodnet No no, that's really fascinating now I Always like to ask because I think that it's really a couple of the other guests I've had on here are sort of similar to you and that they have very specific ah mixture of of interests that they have combined into a job and I always think it's really interesting to talk about because I imagine. 16:42.10 Samuel Um, sixteen. 16:46.81 archpodnet Other people might be listening in and going Well I I like music and I like you know doing this So it's ah I mean what would you say that there it was a slow start or is it was it something that you didn't think would actually become a job or did you always want to make it into something that you lived of. 16:51.46 Samuel Um, yeah. 17:03.97 Samuel Um I started during the covid and and I was able to start it thanks to the covid because I was at home and with my my pay every month and it working in my um in my ah. 17:06.61 archpodnet Man. Um, yeah. 17:20.91 Samuel In my workshop. Ah, and um, yeah, it started slowly and the the more I did did I tried to to to make myself visible on the internet on on Facebook and it's Instagram on Youtube. 17:22.95 archpodnet Um. 17:38.51 Samuel So I posted a lot of videos and pictures so people can found me and and thanks to that I was able to have many orders. 17:52.82 archpodnet Yeah, no, that's fantastic. And yeah I mean congratulations that you you've been able to make it into something that you can can make money from because that's a make that's always the dream right? His to do that and so just as ah as a final question. So if if you. 17:55.00 Samuel Thank you. Um, yeah. 18:08.53 archpodnet What advice would you have then for anyone else who might be listening and thinking that they maybe want to follow a similar path in their future. 18:18.77 Samuel I Don't know it's always very different depending on on where you are what you do at the moment if you want to start these kind of things. Ah. 18:36.86 Samuel I would say that you you, you must never be Ah, ah you you must never give up ah try even if if you you fail things you you have to try and try again. 18:42.62 archpodnet Are. 18:52.58 Samuel I did a lot of strying I I spent 1 year making the the first prototype of the Koexs and it was a lot of fails at the beginning until I found something working. 18:59.24 archpodnet Um, hey that. 19:05.77 archpodnet Which is amazing though, especially considering that you said you didn't even really have experience in Copperwork I mean I'm amazed that you have managed to be so successful at creating these konics if you didn't really have experience with brass instruments. You didn't have experience with working cop I mean that's amazing. 19:16.60 Samuel Are. 19:25.86 archpodnet Ah, very impressed. Okay, well I think ah that probably marks the end of our ah T break probably time to get back to work. It sounds like you've got a lot of orders to fill. So ah I'll let you get back to it. But thank you? So so much for joining me. 19:35.20 Samuel Um, okay thank you Thank you for having me. Yeah I appreciate it was nice. 19:42.87 archpodnet Ah today Samuel it was really great to talk to you and learn nothing and if anyone listening wants to find out more about oh no, we've lost connection again ko can you still hear me. Ah okay I will. 19:53.94 Samuel I Allo its it stopped again.