00:00.00 archpodnet And I don't know where we got kicked out. Do you know? what? what was last thing you heard. 00:02.79 Samuel And ah you you you were about to say Ah, what does a carnix and sounds like. 00:09.31 archpodnet Okay, perfect then I'll I'll just go back to that then sorry by the way Chris our editor. Ah we got kicked out of the room. That's why we're doing 2 recordings. So. The first question was what does a carnnix sound like which Samuel as you have created. I guess several replicas at this point you'll have a good idea of this. So what does a karex sound like oh amazing. 00:28.40 Samuel Yeah I actually I can play it for you right now if you want I just love to it's in in the bug I just have to to to make it up and it just 1 minute 00:42.20 archpodnet Um, yeah, yeah, that's right is fine. Oh that's perfect. 01:04.17 archpodnet I'll just pause the recording go whenever you're ready. 01:16.14 Samuel Okay, I'm ready. 01:17.79 archpodnet Hey it's going. 01:26.61 Samuel No I'm not ready. Sorry it's my my headphones are are too short I Think that's good. Yes, so that's. 01:30.46 archpodnet Ah, the pressure, the pressure. 01:35.74 archpodnet Um, ah. 01:43.28 Samuel How there Connie Sons like oh oh oh oh. Are. 02:13.35 Samuel I. 02:26.47 archpodnet Oh very cool. Thank you so much for playing that I admit I was I didn't even think to ask you to play it. So thank you for offering. 02:27.70 Samuel That's it so you have high notes and and low notes low notes. So I like a bit like a digital red review. 02:43.32 archpodnet Um, ah. 02:43.48 Samuel And then you have these eye notes like which are a bit like ah ah trumbon I will say or a modern brass instrument. 02:52.15 archpodnet Um, and actually this relates to the second question which is how does a karennix work because I was also curious about this so I play the french horn. Um, so I'm familiar with that kind of mouthpiece and I guess it's similar because karennicks don't have finger. 03:08.48 Samuel Now it's a natural horn where that would I would say so you don't have any holes or keys do to play the knot. It's all by the the power of you you breathing and the the shape of your lips. 03:09.23 archpodnet Holes or anything like that right. 03:23.37 archpodnet Are. 03:25.95 Samuel So it's like any other brass instrument you have to make with your lips to to play to make a sound and then by mixing the the air and the the shape of the lips. You have all the notes. 03:31.23 archpodnet Ah. 03:38.84 archpodnet Amazing. 03:41.38 Samuel And also what she what? it is very interesting on on the mouthpiece of the carnis is that it uses flat on most of the Modian brass instruments you have ah some kind of littletle cup where you put your lips but on the cornice's mouth. 03:56.33 archpodnet Ah. 03:59.97 Samuel Ps It's it's flat. You don't have any cup so that makes the sound less Midily Yeah, it removes some middles in the the the audio frequencies. 04:15.77 archpodnet Okay, I'm trying to I'm trying to imagine how I would play that I'm trying to think because I have a horn that I got in some antique market somewhere which it's not completely flat but indeed it's got a very wide. Um. 04:16.48 Samuel Are. 04:31.87 archpodnet And flat rim to it which makes it very so difficult for me to play at least because I'm used to the little French horn ones but are interesting. Oh amazing. Yeah, very cool. Um, but we'll talk about that a little bit more in a sec because we're gonna go into more detail. Um, but the last question. Ah. 04:32.83 Samuel Okay, okay. 04:44.62 Samuel Um, okay. 04:50.45 archpodnet About from from our lovely audience on Google Google search is our carnicks animals I guess by this they mean the kind of design of it. 05:00.10 Samuel Um, ah well it certainly has an animal head on the top and the um the word connics itself refers to these animals to the because the word knis is a greek word. That comes from Northern Africa and um, it's in french it has the the the same etymology as ah, garasier carnivore Connie Oros and so it refers to this animal. 05:33.52 archpodnet Okay, so it's yeah, it's not necessarily a particular kind of animal. It's more a sort of type. 05:41.45 Samuel So yeah, actually all the connies found in the ground are ah worth bore except one in titanac which is a snake and their archeologists think it' all. It might be a snake with ah goat horns. 05:49.61 archpodnet Are. 05:57.11 Samuel But the boat holes were never found because the snake with Godhead is a very common figure in celtic mythology and. 05:57.24 archpodnet Um, oh. 06:07.30 archpodnet Interesting and which one do you ah because you do you replicate the same kind of design each time or do you base it. Do you base it on a design but it's your own design or how does that work when you're making the replications I mean the replicas. 06:15.89 Samuel You know, just a car we can wait. Yeah, can you hear the car right now. No okay because there is a car startinging. So okay I always make the the same head and the same. 06:24.38 archpodnet No, ah okay no I don't exist. 06:33.89 Samuel Conics I based my my work on the the discovery of dentanac in in this discovery there is 6 cornices found and it's something like 4 or 5 different heads I don't remember exactly so I picked one head and i. 06:36.84 archpodnet And. 06:53.29 Samuel Picked 1 ah pair of ears but we don't know if that ear were linked to that head and also I picked one crest but we don't know if that crest was belonged to the same head and ears carnics because most of the time if you type. 07:01.35 archpodnet Um. 07:12.53 Samuel Kani Stignac in Google you'll see one connis. It's the the biggest one and that one is very famous but the one is very wellm made by all the copper smithth so I decided to make another one that was not made based on the discovery of tinignia. 07:17.80 archpodnet Ah. 07:20.58 archpodnet Are. 07:26.72 archpodnet Okay, interesting and that's really interesting then that they wouldn't have necessarily all been the same like they would have all potentially have been different mixtures. 07:33.16 Samuel So Sorry what? okay. So Ah sorry I don't really understand what you're saying. Yeah. 07:39.46 archpodnet Like as in each each head wouldn't have always been the same design like you would have had multiple different designs Her interesting. 07:49.12 Samuel Now it's different heads every time it's ah it's as I told is as I said it's ah, most of the time It's a wild poor but it's ah very ah, different stillized and very. 07:56.52 archpodnet Man. 08:06.48 Samuel I would say it's in it's it's ah in ah in a gallish in a celtic style. So it's very with weird shapes. 08:16.24 archpodnet Um, and I mean this is just asking a bit out of the box I guess so feel free to say no idea. But um I I mean how many of the kind of archaeological pieces have you looked at would you say it would be each design is from a different. Copper Smith or it could it be that the same coppermith is making variations with each replica based on your own experience as well. Yeah, sorry, it's a bit of a rational. Um I guess I'm always really curious when you have objects that are fundamentally the same. 08:37.50 Samuel Ah, ah sorry I don't really understand what you mean. 08:49.66 Samuel Yeah. 08:50.72 archpodnet But have different designs or different styles per object whether they would have been made by different people or whether it's kind of 1 group that are making them that just have variations in their design. So whether you know the the one. Yeah I know that's a very. 09:07.54 Samuel I Now it's it's ah it's interesting. It's very interesting but um, very few heads were found by archaeologist head of koics. 09:08.54 archpodnet Very big question. 09:14.56 archpodnet A. 09:17.90 Samuel Um, mostly so in France in Deignyac six heads but 2 or 3 of them are not full also in North of France a long time ago. Ah a small piece of the left side of another connis where of of a head i' mean we found. Um. Also in italy in sanzano I think a piece of the head and they are all kind of similar in style but different from each other and then you have the famous de desk fold koics find. 09:47.41 archpodnet Are. 09:56.65 Samuel Ah, in Scotland and this one has a very different head that the 1 found in um, on the continent I would say so of course every connie is found. Nowadays are were made by different ah crafters because they are ah very spaced in time I mean the conigs and tiignac I think belongs to the first century bc. 10:15.16 archpodnet Are. 10:28.35 archpodnet Ah. 10:28.46 Samuel But the the other ones in the older parts of Europe are older or younger so they were made by different people. But you can see some kind of of of same style in it. But that's for for the the cuttings of of the export. It's a very different style in it. 10:50.21 archpodnet Is that the one where I'm just thinking of um brave the Pixar film and there's like a carnis featured in that one well and then and it's got like a tongue that wiggles. yeah yeah I was I found that fascinating. 10:56.49 Samuel Ah, you don't know about it. Yes, a wooden tone. It's way more round. 11:05.86 archpodnet Yeah, and it's got like big eyes the the kind of round eyes. Yeah I think I know think I know the one. Okay I'm going to stop the recording now. So that we do the next section. 11:09.79 Samuel Yes.