00:01.18 alifeinruins And we're back to episode one fifty one of life from his podcast. Ah David you had mentioned earlier that you've been to the dominican republic before and I didn't I didn't know that what were you down there for. 00:10.70 David Howe No no I did not go but I had many friends who went um and it was my freshman year of college none of them listened to this podcast because you'll about to find out why and they. All went There was like a church group on campus that they all went to the dominican republic and like to get money to go to the dominican republic to do charity work down there I think they were building a church or a school they had to petition their family members and ask for money to take this trip for a bus of 50 white kids from a fucking. Tennessee to go down to the Dr to do like live with these like kids and like do church stuff and build a school or it was a school or a church. It was something with a roof anyway, I do it like I was like they were like do you want to come and I was like no I don't want to ask my aunts for money to like help me go do a mission trip. Um. Wasn't really a member of the church I just went with them because it was something to do and anyway they go down there and they like take pictures with all these kids that were like clearly impoverished and like posting all this stuff and like they build this roof together and I'll see videos then this is early Instagram days but mostly Facebook. Swimming in pools at the hotel having a good time and then like they came back and I was like so how'd it go. He was like oh was great man like we got so many kids I think we touched so many people and like they for some reason they had to rebuild the whole school. 01:34.43 David Howe And the whole roof like like as soon as all the american kids left and he's like I guess we could have just donated all that money to them anyway and they could have just done it from the beginning and I was like you don't say you just want to go down there and take Facebook pictures so you could look good for god on your Facebook dudes like that's all those are. 01:40.99 connor Are. 01:47.34 alifeinruins I. 01:50.87 David Howe And like I told you that from the beginning and he was like I just risk we could have done more and I was like there's nothing more you could have done but have a nice vacation like I don't know. Maybe there's some great mission trips out there but like that really irked me anyway. 01:57.13 connor Or build it correctly. The first time. Yeah. 02:03.47 alifeinruins I Mean that's what a lot of those mission trips are is just yeah makes makes the people go out and feel good when all those the people they're trying to help could do it better themselves. Yeah. 02:12.95 David Howe Um, just give the money it great mission work. Yeah, just not that one but I did my cultural anthropology. 02:14.86 connor And we're not not not saying all of them. There's probably people who go out there and do do good work and help communities. Yeah for sure just in case just ah Tennesseeans Beyond borders. 02:22.55 alifeinruins Just ah, just not. It's not that one case study. 02:28.76 David Howe Undergrad paper on how that missionship didn't work and there was a class called it was literally because in undergrad you had to take 2 upper division culturals two upper division archeology and two upper ah biological and my the only upper division cultural offered that semester was refugee and migrant children. Um, so. 02:30.16 connor Yeah. 02:47.00 connor Oof. 02:47.63 David Howe Took that was a lot about Syria a lot about Mexico and a lot about Latin America and yeah, um, learned a lot and like for my term paper. It was like talk about refugee I and it was like because it was after the hurricane or the earthquake and the Dr R and I wrote in paper on that and I got an a I think she gave base to everybody. Yeah. 02:52.40 connor Ah. 03:03.81 connor Nice. That's a that's a heavy heavy class I feel like a lot of my cultural and classes ended up being like let's take like the saddest subject about humans and then let's talk about it for ten weeks or twelve weeks yeah 03:07.26 David Howe Anyway. 03:16.30 David Howe Yeah I don't want children like there's gonna be endless amounts of mass migrations in the next thirty years and I'm just not trying to have a kid weigh me down on all that I will however racketeer a bunch of bottle water and sell it to kids at a high price but not my kids. 03:33.65 connor That is the official stance of a life and ruins podcast we will rack here. Yeah I watched a one. There was a documentary. They showed one of my classes is like what the Us looks like in 50 years and it's like you're twenty thirty vegas runs out of water. 03:34.95 David Howe Yeah now I will not do that. 03:52.73 connor Don't Don Dawn 03:54.16 alifeinruins 1 of my favorite talks ever. So I had I had ah Eric give a presentation of the fraternia university of wyoming and it did the title of the talk was like where will you spend spring break in 50 years and it was like really weird because the kids wanted to hate it. But they're also appreciated because. Eric's like so global warming exists. He's talked to like a bunch of like libertarian republican kids from Wyoming. He's like this is where the waterline's going to be so this is where you should invest in properties like that's how he got to them. He's like if this is this is real but like we can make this profitable for you so like actually had them sit down and listen to it but they wanted to be mad. But they're also like. But we could invest in these properties in like Kansas what's all the ocean side a little bit. You know just like so they're like oh we never thought about the the way to take advantage of this disastrous situation. Ah, but again. 04:29.21 David Howe Ah. 04:36.20 connor Sell all your stuff in New York Manhattan long island sell all your your land. 04:42.19 David Howe Yeah. 04:44.14 alifeinruins Yeah, buy buy ah property in Selena Kansas and just wait for the floods and then you can built condos. 04:49.11 David Howe Like how are people in New Mexico and Arizona and Nevada just constantly not stressed about water. You can't even collect rainwater in California I've been told like legally it's against the law because you could. 04:51.80 connor Don't live in the west. 04:59.77 alifeinruins No dude the rib grande near Texas near El Paso like has been dry forever like water just does not make it to the border anymore. 05:05.00 connor Yeah. 05:07.20 David Howe And they're just shit now kids left and right and they're like we're fine, but like. 05:11.10 connor Well in Phoenix is like a booming Boom so is Vegas It is like on a crazy boom of people living there and it's like you can't even drink the fucking tap water in Phoenix they go. They have a water store that you have to go to to buy water. 05:24.36 David Howe Wow! Really no offense to people having children out there but like just why like please it stretches me out I'm probably way off base and I should say but. 05:25.60 alifeinruins Yeah, that's. 05:27.78 connor Yeah, it'll just give you diarrhea just stop. 05:34.67 alifeinruins Well a lot of it has to do with like the the water rights and the treaty the treaty I know but the treaty they made with Mexico the way they did. It was just happened to be like a really wet year when they rode it so like the amount of water that. 05:36.30 connor You can. 05:50.71 alifeinruins Ah, the percentage of water that was supposed to get to Mexico like it was basically predicated on the us gets so many gallons of water before it gets to Mexico and since they did it on a year with exceedingly high rainfall that metric is just fucked because like Mexico will never get to see that. 05:54.51 connor So. 06:05.84 alifeinruins So like it just and then we of course we divert the Colorado all the way out to l a. 06:07.81 connor Yeah, well and but we could stop it. We could stop the Colorado in Colorado and vegas doesn't exist Arizona doesn't exist New Mexico doesn't exist like those places don't really exist. 06:08.88 David Howe Which has no water anyway. 06:21.39 alifeinruins Yeah, yeah, Colorado can just dam it up and just click all right goodbye. So. 06:22.45 David Howe Yeah, it. 06:24.53 connor It's fucking crazy to me I'm caught I'm calling it. 06:31.52 David Howe Um, but anyway, yeah, so that was my story about the DR I have not been I've been the Jamaica as a kid probably wouldn't go back because I remember watching shamu at the nursery and that was all I remember of Jamaica what? like. 06:43.97 alifeinruins What what? what? Shena move jamaican sea world is there 1 06:46.38 connor What nursery what type of nursery. 06:48.62 David Howe But parents. But. No, like we went to Jamaica when I was a kid I think my parents like got you know, remember in travel agents were thing they got like a huge discount some travel agent and they'll like get you go to Jamaica this a very impoverished country where they completely need your tourism to complete keep feeding the poverty and they went. And they dropped me off it at this nursery at the near the hotel or in the hotel to like watch me while they went and did Jamaica stuff and I remember watching shem or no free willie excuse me free willie every day and the nurse was jamaican. 07:25.56 connor I Don't think that's ah that is that kosher anymore I don't I don't think that's like something that happens. 07:26.61 alifeinruins Wait he wrote put Thomas Free willie did not take place in Jamaica though like it took place in some like made up theme park I think in California oh. 07:33.83 David Howe Um, no like at at the nursery we put a V a free willie into the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it was like that's all I remember and that there's like a life size chests set I remember playing with that one time I remember the ocean and that was it and my dad got off your weed on the bus. 07:34.30 connor No, he's a he's watching he was watching it on a Tv. Yeah yeah. 07:47.70 alifeinruins Well I promise that when we go as the 3 of us me and Conor will put you in a different nursery willll put you in a different day here such a fs I would know. Ah, ah. 07:55.73 connor Ah. 07:57.90 David Howe Catch me anytime we're in the caribbean you catch me at whatever the bar is or the tavern having a good time bartering in spanish for our passage back to Spain. That's where I go. 08:07.74 alifeinruins Me and Connor will come back and just see you like the and Conor will come back and see taking pictures of your feet and oxing them off. 08:08.20 connor I will not pay full price. Ah. 08:17.50 David Howe Miss B Miss Peers single base. So but um, the Caribbean it's just too hot. 08:22.94 connor Ah, no, if I go down there I'm never coming back I'm going to turn into Jet Sparrow sailboat 08:25.10 alifeinruins A man Dude how much is property I don't mean to be like a colonial fuck but like the Dominican Republic property I'm down to get a bungalow. 08:32.22 connor This is pretty colonial I want a sailboat just as long as it has good good. 08:38.00 David Howe I want in it. Oh I almost said something very bad. Let's just draw up a treaty a torto see as round two electric boogaloo and I get everything left of Cuba um, excuse me right? of Cuba. You get everything left. 08:57.88 alifeinruins Some of these houses do aren't so bad I Three hundred fifty thousand for two bed to bath with fifteen hundred Square feet probably not 09:07.50 connor Do you have beach front. 09:14.85 David Howe Are you going down to the Caribbean Carlton to purchase property we did I'm just saying the next slippery slope after buying property in the Caribbean is an Incomyanda so you need to something you dip your toes into. 09:15.44 connor Don't don't tap me frodo. 09:18.87 alifeinruins Do you remember when he talked about me wanting to become a boat person. 09:27.56 alifeinruins I. 09:28.87 connor Do it's either that you're start dealing drugs like you're you're an narco like you're not going to get stopped at a at an embassy are you going to apologize for your previous comments on Columbus. 09:33.94 David Howe I. 09:35.77 alifeinruins Ah, that one's real cheap. 09:37.72 David Howe Can we talk about Columbus that was now. No I what have I yeah. 09:48.64 connor I think I think you have a this is your space to apologize to the world for being a Columbus apologist man you said that Columbus wasn't so bad. He connected all the worlds together. Yes, you did. 09:54.96 David Howe What am I supposed to apologize for I did not say he wasn't so bad I said he discovered America sure and like in many ways but not necessarily. It was the first to discover it I never I don't believe we could roll the tape if I said he wasn't so bad. 09:58.78 alifeinruins At these. 10:13.91 connor He said he was like I think it was like yeah I think it was your glorification of Discovery that was a little a little questionable for me. Yeah, keep keep going. 10:14.59 David Howe Then lock me up Dude War tribunal say it was like and. 10:16.23 alifeinruins Or trip. 10:22.36 alifeinruins We haven't we haven't got any. 10:22.82 David Howe Only you guys made it out to be that I was just saying like he opened up. He opened up the Western world to the new world and in some ways he made the new world open up to the old world. That's what I would say that doesn't mean it's a good thing but we have. 10:35.57 connor Is it does he did he make the new world better because he connected to them is that what you're saying. 10:42.94 David Howe According to the portuguese yes, but according to me absolutely not? Um, yeah, and it's funny. You said there Carlton because um, no, what I can't however, got personal operation here. The the portises language am I right? ah. 10:43.21 alifeinruins A Cardis the borgers. Yes, according to the fors. 10:47.21 connor What out. 10:58.69 alifeinruins Oh that? Yeah, the SH a comment. Yeah yeah, let's not talk about colonialism here and just think about all about how the so many people got to hear the beautiful portuguese language because of it. It was just like Jesus Christ 11:03.78 David Howe Yeah, yeah, yeah, um. 11:11.54 connor Which is. 11:13.45 David Howe She was telling me she like everyone hates portuguese because it sounds but she's like everyone hates portuguese. But the portuguese Brazil would rather speak up different apparently. Um. 11:21.37 connor Um. What are you reading. 11:23.99 alifeinruins That's a big issue because it's more like Brazilian Portuguese speakers than like portugal Portuguese speakers and they're trying to tell the brazilians like what proper Portuguese is and like fuck you there's more of us than you will tell you what real portuguese is. We're the captains now. 11:38.49 David Howe I guess that's true because there's more american english speakers than english english speakers and there's more mexicans spanish speakers than spanish speakers. It's almost like the new world got colonized by 3 major powers. Um, yeah. 11:49.87 connor You don't say ah. 11:55.99 David Howe Was I gonna say yeah so you you were mentioned in stuff about columbus let me I have the book here. Ah the the 4 Voyages Christopher Columbus also his name was christ phototo colombo not Christopher Columbus also Jon Cabot we we call it. His name is Johannes Caboto 12:00.30 connor Yeah, what was the book I was going to ask you what the book name was. 12:01.63 alifeinruins What is the but. 12:15.84 David Howe Ah, Cabo cup kobota so like that I can't remember what it was he was italian but we're like is Jon habit then he went down the the thing and then it was the other guy too with the chip full. Ah Johan is caboto or cabota I can't remember it was. 12:21.89 alifeinruins With a shit full of gobagoul. 12:34.69 David Howe A area at the end of it. But yeah, um, he he did like the Hudson area like up north like anyway, all those people wanted to sale and like explore and like get paid to do it and all the monarchs were like we already have like 8 people doing that like go to Canada and he's like all right and then he went to the fricking english crown and they're like. Who's this italian guy just go on just give him some money and that's how John Cabot like did his thing and he hudson all those guys but ah, that's what yeah, okay, that's what I was trying to get to It's whack this is. 13:01.96 alifeinruins Um, have you read Christopher Columbus's journal but is that his actual journal like I've read the. 13:11.56 David Howe This is the 4 voyages. It has excerpts from it but it doesn't have I haven't read his like journal journal unless this is his journal. 13:13.73 alifeinruins Oh I have like the full thing and that dude is a fuck. It is not like a good rendition and like that's one of the things that the Spanish and Portuguese always try to distance themselves from is like those early conky stores were just pieces of shit even in their own right? It wasn't like oh it. The context of the time. It's like no they were. Bad people for their time. 13:36.65 David Howe Like it at least in the stuff I was reading. They went back to Spain and they were like hey this Columbus guy that you let govern this island is like it's getting wild over here. You need to send some people they they locked him up took him back to his prison. Um. And he like he wrote in his journals for sure that like the stuff about like the women are fair and like make them good courtesans and things like that. It's just like that's how he was thinking or as the other guys were like we're supposed to like look for Japan bro look. 14:06.73 connor Well I think you have to be a little like fucked in the head to think that you're going to so go across and like yeah like you that yeah you you're sociopath I don't know if I would I don't know if I call it. 14:12.65 David Howe Like a snowsha path. Yeah. 14:19.13 alifeinruins Yeah, he went to he went to jail like during his governancy of the dominican like spaniards were like this guy is a fucking piece of shit and like he was jailed in sanity me and go for like 2 years before he was like sailed back to Spain to have trial where he was acquitted but like you know that whole thing and it's the same thing with Cortez. Like Cortes wasn't supposed to interact with the spanish he was supposed to like make contact with by he didn't he just went north landed when did some shit at ah Tano Cudlan realized that yeah cortez and then then he like some guy from the shore that they left there like ran back. 14:49.49 David Howe Cortez. Well that that's a whole other thing too because it is. 14:57.48 alifeinruins Like hey they're looking for you so we had to go back to the Shore set up a town create a kangaroo court with with the provincial mayors and shit and have them draw up new orders from the crown so he can go take over the aztecs like the whole thing is fucking wild. 15:13.18 connor So he he made a second government but a second quote. 15:13.32 David Howe And it was all that. 15:16.83 alifeinruins Yeah, he'd basically like there's there's something in spanish law where if they had a town and they could speak on behalf of the crown so he like he made his own town elect his own leaders and there was like I beseech you to make new orders and like what were they going to say no like the whole thing was just a farce they like that's and the same thing with the guy that went to fucking Peru like all of those guys were just not. 15:23.81 David Howe Bear Cruz yeah. 15:36.14 alifeinruins Good people. 15:37.16 David Howe Pizarro? yeah, well like with fucking ah Cortez I was talking to this mexican guy about this this weekend. He said that like those he's I've heard this a million times like and it's just part of the history. All the aztecs were super expansionist like they were like. Going all over it and like kidnapping people and like making it like I know this gets into the black legend stuff too. But like everybody around the aztecs hated the aztecs. So when Cortez got there. He was like wait so where's this big. They're like the the giant city where they keep killing us like let's go. 16:01.14 alifeinruins Walking Dis Surprisedly I start. 16:10.59 David Howe So all the indigenous tribes like around him like allied with him and they make it seem like it was these 20 spaniards kidnapped the emperor but like no he went and rallied to every single group around them and was like help me get this guy. They like went down all of that like you're saying though Carlton was without the king and queen of Spain being like sure he just like. 16:27.22 alifeinruins Yeah, yeah, he they were. He was on the run because he like also when he left he was in prison wasn't supposed to go and he basically just snuck out of Jail got on a ship was like all right guys we got to go We got to go. We got to go and just dipped out. 16:29.95 David Howe Junk out of fucking country. 16:42.68 alifeinruins Like he wasn't even supposed to leave the island he was supposed to go stand trial back in Spain and he basically just cortez. He just like hot rod at a fucking sailboat. It should just left to go like like the dude escapes prison and the next time he see him. He's like. 16:47.64 David Howe Fortes or Columbus. Ah. 16:59.40 alifeinruins I've conquered an entire territory in Mexico and they're just like what he's like it's fine though I set up a town. They allowed me to do it like we're good I also have like the whole thing is wild like it's just absolutely wild. 16:59.18 David Howe I think. 17:01.20 connor Um, but. 17:08.87 David Howe It's by the book. Ah, but before we go I was watching a Youtube thing about there. There's this whole Youtube drama this 1 guy who made like in defense of Columbus in like just saying like the a lot of. Recent stuff comes out. That's just like fuck columbus fuck columbus and they get all the facts wrong um and like yes fuck Columbus. But there's also sometimes where you just can't you can't just make up information about Columbus thinking and the world will shave like a pair he mentioned that once in 1 paragraph anyway then another Youtube response came out saying that. 17:33.48 alifeinruins I. 17:40.33 David Howe He was completely wrong and he's being a white supremacist then he made a rebuttal video saying hey I'm sorry I made these points wrong. But here's what I was trying to say and that guy was like no, you're still not getting it and came on foot stuff. Bottom line the end of the story. The the main guy who like did the rebuttals that like I I'm on his not his side. But I think he's telling the most accurate history here. 17:57.30 alifeinruins Is this is this the one the the Columbus apologist or the Columbus prosecutor. 18:00.60 David Howe Um, this is the he I think he was. He's argentinian and he's like he's saying that the guy who isn't defending Columbus is just completely wrong though he means well um, but he's saying that like. People always use the argument. Well the transit latic slave trade came later Columbus didn't start it like that was a later thing by the dutch and the portuguese and yada yada and then the british but the guy was like no, do you know who the first person was to take a human from the Americas and traffic them back to Spain against their will. That would be Christo Farro Colombo and he was like who do the who do who went back and brought another 3 indigenous people likely against their will or clearly tricked them into saying get on the ship and come across this ocean which you've never done before come on over here. Guess what? that's called trafficking a human being and they're like he started. 18:35.40 alifeinruins Um. 18:51.80 David Howe Transatletic slave trade no matter I like what you say though he wasn't like the Ceo of the company. It just like it began that idea of oh and that's what incommiendas were too. It's like you get a plot of land and like that's why they all wanted to go there and if there were indigenous peoples on that land. Oh you get to do with them what you please and of course that became serfdom. And then quickly slavery. So it's just. 19:10.48 alifeinruins Then also and in clobus's diary like when he meets the taino like in his notes he's like I can take these people over with a hundred men like that's like his first thought like when he comes back on the second voyage he brings like 17 ships full of spaniards like his intent is. 19:21.57 David Howe Um. 19:27.16 alifeinruins We're taking this place for ourselves. It was it like exploration and like a humanitarian like trying to explore the world he gets he gets there and he's like oh these people are all all he's just like salivating at the mouth 5 19:39.29 David Howe It's all coming together. Yeah, not ah, not the not the greatest guy but that's like it's just business and like that business makes you ruthless you know and like not no, not excusing it Just yeah. 19:51.48 alifeinruins It's that what the Nazis Center to the nerve for Tra It's just business because. 19:51.72 connor Yeah, okay, just like just a clip. We. 19:56.82 David Howe Business just makes it. It's the guy in pirates the Caribbean as the ship's blowing up. He's like it's just good business and it's like he's being eviscerated by a pirate fleet but it's like business makes you do crazy cutthroat shit not saying it's good. 20:08.92 connor Just just just just the. 20:09.93 alifeinruins There are very very greedy people and human lives had very little value to them. 20:18.30 David Howe It's sit's frankly, remarkable how much they devalued lives new like whoa. 20:25.75 connor Ah, well to save the rest of that. 20:26.49 alifeinruins But part of this is like yeah I mean just to tie this up like we are part of this project. The summer is to look for one of Columbus's ships um during one of his voyages and then also this has been tied up into the horses human sideage project. We're actually looking for horses and. 20:40.22 alifeinruins Um, horse remains in a haitian dominican republic to start in the genetics of those like the first horses that arrived so that's like this whole thing that's been happening this week as a result of that science paper. It's just like oh yeah, we know there's horses down there and so we're interested in how that happened so. 20:52.82 David Howe Felix. 20:57.21 connor It's It's a horse graveyard. 20:59.28 alifeinruins Ah, can't get away from these fucking horses I'm trying to go down below the depths and I'm still horses are are trotting behind me. 21:03.94 David Howe I Sent you guys a thing about oh then my personal recording. 21:03.96 connor All right? can well like review Pod podcast. Thank you for listening something buy stuff. 21:13.92 alifeinruins Yeah, you can. 21:16.15 David Howe Columbus did do wrong. He did not do Columbus Columbus was wrong here. He go where end it with that. 21:20.17 connor Official Stance official stance of a life and ruins podcast was a dude. 21:21.83 alifeinruins Just there David finally said it had taken it all heart. Finally, he was the bad dude. 21:27.88 David Howe I think he discovered America in the sense of the modern historical world. But what did he did. He have the right to to ship humans across the ocean and build a jail and burn it down himself. No. 21:31.92 connor Just just stop just just just stop just just stop. It's just. 21:37.76 alifeinruins Um, just you. 21:47.88 alifeinruins I Think that's the best we're to get Okay, ah be please, be sure if you're while let's do us on the all all shows feed Please please please subscribe to our podcast on our own show. Um, your downloading our show directly from our feed helps us. Um. 21:47.90 David Howe Awesome. 22:03.74 alifeinruins Advertisers and sponsors. We're currently working on that. So really appreciate everyone that listens be sure to write and review the podcast and with that we are out all right? If you've made it this far. You know what time it is it is time for Connor's witty joke. 22:15.00 David Howe Lous wasn't good. 22:23.18 alifeinruins Connor what do you have for us this week 22:23.82 connor Why didn't the admiral buy a new hat. 22:27.24 David Howe Wait. It's a trap. 22:32.10 connor He was worried about capsizing. 22:37.60 alifeinruins Ah. 22:39.36 connor Um. 22:39.88 alifeinruins Good god David are we getting on seat theses heart yoho yo ho got a plunger that booty. 22:41.15 David Howe That's pretty good du. Let's text Jacob let get on yoho ho. 22:44.80 connor Yeah, are you guys through recording first.