00:00.80 archpodnet Worries So just bring it right back in your life. Okay. 00:01.35 Alan Yes, so Anne that was your undergraduate work and I guess you're trying to now find a way to complete your higher academic career and actually get a ph d is that correct. 00:16.58 Ann Yes I am and I am so I did. 00:38.50 Alan And where and where and where are you looking to actually enroll the university. 00:36.94 Ann I right now I am working with the B Brigham Young University Byu and they are Dr. Jim Allison I I actually talked to Dr Mike Sersi very for I called him just cold called him and said hey here introduce myself told him what I was interested in and he said you know you missed all the applications for. And I have to do a master's and a ph d so my full I intend on doing graduate work and going all the way. Um through but he said you know you just missed the cutoff and it's it's gonna be really complicated and hard. But I am. 02:20.67 Alan It it. It it typically is not and let me just correct you here when you get a master's n a ph d in a Masters P D program they don't view the masters as very difficult they they see it as a very preliminary step and if you went into a you know a. California state university and got a masters often. It's very rigorous and and time consuming and and it's almost akin to a ph d to get a master's thesis. But for most universities with a ph d track. The masters is preliminary and they really just want you to move ahead. And complete the ph d so they they typically just use something of ah either ah an article or ah, a small monograph or something. Ah, you know, very simple to jump over that hurdle and then move directly to the ph d program. How's that. 03:56.68 Ann That's fantastic. Yeah, and you know on it so well and offline I Want to talk to you about this actually because I they don't have a Ph D track and I. 04:13.43 Alan That help at least that's been my experience. Go ahead. 04:27.76 Ann You know I probably shouldn't say online I you don't scratch that let's not talk about wiiu in the open because I kind of you know we can talk about this later but I want to just go into a school that can get me through to the ph d and that the masters. Is going to jump onto the ph d as opposed to trying to figure out to and I know I know for certain that the ph d isn't going to be in Utah and there's not you know there's not a facility to do it here but we can talk about that later. Um. Back to you know my. 05:51.11 Alan There are there there there there is a ph d program in None of my colleagues who's a board member of the California Rock Art Foundation recently got a ph d in rock art from the University Of California Berkeley and her name is Donna Gillette and I'd be happy to introduce you to her and she could help you introduce you to some of the faculty and some of those faculty members I believe are on the faculty of South Africa as well. 06:47.50 Ann I Would love to do that because that you know again I would I would rather just get into a school and go all the way through to the end and you know that that's where and is it semiotics. Do I say that right. 07:35.35 Alan You dead and perfect. 07:26.14 Ann So thanks to you guys Chris Webster and Dr G um I know what semiotics is and I that resonated so well that episode when that I can't remember the gentleman's name but he had done a. I believe ph d that makes semiotics art history and was it archeology. 08:30.77 Alan That's correct and the and the individual's name who I've done 2 articles and now a book and it's it's rather difficult name. He's a east indian scholar a fulbright scholar and it's terrtha. 08:44.44 Ann Yes. 09:01.25 Alan Mukah habadi I always make a joke out of it by saying Thennna buy me a vow. 08:53.26 Ann That ah well see now you understand my struggle with languages um hate that actually resonated so well with me and it finally put a word to the. Ideas that I had had in my head before like there's got to be somewhere that this stuff all mixes together and you know just I that's so all of this and listening then and then I discovered this podcast. Um. I don't know sometime last year and I've devoured the episodes but I found I I devour whatever I can find and and there's a lot It's it's not like it's difficult to find but you know rary and just the work of the you guys doing rock art and reading. And just trying to better understand. Okay, what? what does all this mean I'm not sure we can ever know exactly what it means but ethnographies are are fascinate me as well because the things that we we do know what they mean it's because there's continuity of history between. The people that that there's continuity of history of the people that have lived there for sometimes Millennia and that goes back to religion and it's all mixed together and that has is what has led me to want to pursue. Pursue graduate work and start to ask these questions and force myself to write about it to understand it research it and then get in the game and get critiqued debate about it here's what I know what do you know? here's what I think what do you think and begin to. To help add to that volume of knowledge and preserve some of that knowledge because in my experience I've been running around some of the most intrepid places in the entire world. The very few people from our part of the world. The west go to and so there isn't. There's such a breakdown of there versus here and here versus there and also even with people in the villages. You know they they when you start to tell them some of the things you know they have the exact same reaction that I do when I start to learn there. Culture and history and religion. They are just shocked. What do you mean? There's people that think like us we thought we were the only ones. 14:12.13 Alan Ah, so that's a great place to sort of stop the story or conclude and it sounds like you're on the right track and you're sort of at an interesting benchmark sort of now beginning to. Discern how to take the passion and turn it into sort of an academic track find out what platform that would be appropriate to matriculate on and and what subject you will be emphasizing. Ah. If other people listen to this podcast and are at an interesting benchmark like this What would you recommend? they do Anne. 15:34.78 Ann Ah, that's a really good question and research the schools that have good art history good archeology that the programs where you would want to be and then. Literally pick up the phone and call those professors that seem to have an interest in what it is that you are interested in as well because I've had some amazing I that's how I met you Dr G Squared that's exactly how I met you and if. 16:42.51 Alan Yes, yeah, and just just called me up right? He called me up. You sent me, it sent me an email and we just started talking. 16:41.56 Ann Yeah I did I I and here we are and that's that's what you do you talk to people and don't be afraid to talk to people because those people that think like you they're they're few and. Far between and when you find them you will know them and you might talk to None people that write you off and say whatever I don't have time for this. But then you find the doctor g squared then you find the guy that is talking the same language that is able to articulate. The word semiotic into what I've been toying with in my head and didn't understand what it meant call them email them. Don't be afraid to reach out and have discussions with people because you will find your people and they will then start to open paths for you. And isn't that what it's all about back to that concentric circle. It's the path. 18:58.71 Alan Amen that's the path. Um, thank you Anne and thank you archeology podcast network for allowing us to have another hour of your time and we hope we've informed and entertained. 18:51.98 Ann Thank you. 19:29.45 Alan And see in the Flip-flop Gang take care. 19:17.56 Ann Thanks so much.