00:00.00 archpodnet Welcome back to life advice for Kate in California senior archeology episode two fifty nine hope and I love this stuff too I love getting questions like this where we can just talk about stuff and maybe even help somebody. 00:08.97 Andrew Yeah. 00:14.36 archpodnet And and maybe a lot more people as well. Just just get into this a little bit more. You know this is great and and there probably are some Cm archeology professionals that may have gotten out of the field because logistically it just wasn't working for their lifestyle and they're wondering man. They've got that archeology itch. They're still listening to this show which means they've got some kind of an itch they need to scratch and. 00:15.16 Doug Ready. 00:34.18 archpodnet They want to keep their toe in it. So I think this would be good for for a lot of people listen to or maybe you're just you want to do something over the winter and you can't work over the winter wherever you wherever you live right? and and you have nothing to do but you want to keep your toe in the in the field. So. 00:46.63 Andrew No. 00:48.91 archpodnet This is good stuff andrew it sounded like well hold on I'm a brief pause on the recording doug. Do you have a question on something else or should I go to Andrew. 00:54.30 Doug So I was actually just going to make a quick comment on on your whole just to add 1 extra thing to that people who are interested in this. 00:58.75 archpodnet Ok, ok, all right, let me bring it in then Doug you've got a you've got a comment on that. 01:03.18 Andrew Yeah, yeah. 01:06.73 Doug Yeah I'd also say like it might be something for people to consider I know you've mentioned people who can't do it but also like a lot of people who do have careers in archeology I think they should consider something like this because there's a lot of people who. 01:10.77 archpodnet So. 01:24.50 Doug Like archaeology but don't necessarily like all the aspects of the job and they can end up being quite miserable um doing archeology because they like certain parts but don't like others and actually this should probably be much more of a consideration where you're thinking about you like archeology. 01:28.39 archpodnet Right. 01:44.10 Doug You could still be involved but maybe do a different job that better meets your needs for your family or yourself or yeah, your life in general or. 01:52.57 archpodnet Nice Andrew. 01:52.73 Andrew Yeah, you know I just wanted to bounce off some stuff that doug said just now and also in the previous segment I Thought there was a lot of good stuff there first. The idea of that quote unquote Lifelong learner. The funding is doug brought up it. It kind of ebbs and flows right now. It's at a bit of an. 02:05.46 archpodnet Me. 02:12.51 Andrew Ebb and it just has to do with the politics of you know, administrative education but it will be back and we're always on your side. So I want people out there who are interested in archeology to really just reach out reach out Man don't be shy to cold email. Like a local college professor or a local college like or sorry a local museum or that kind of stuff just cold email I get these all the time Dear Professor Kinkela I'm just really curious about archeology right? and we love those like that's totally cool and I will try to shoot you a quick quick email back and and guide you as best I can. 02:47.43 archpodnet This. 02:51.40 Andrew Right? The other thing that Doug talked about in terms of museums and heritage places. Yeah, the local ones they're dying for people. You know so any local heritage site called email them hey I'm really interested in working beware what you wish for. They'll be like can you start? Monday you know because. That's that's the world. So many of these local places they're running on tiny shoestring budgets so they are beyond happy to see your smiling face at their front door. 03:29.20 Andrew And now should I think okay here. 03:29.75 archpodnet I was sorry I was muted I was muted I was just talking. 03:31.95 Doug Um, just ah I can jump off of ah andrews real quick I have another thing I could just sort of jump in cool. Yeah, um, just a follow on from Andrew there is also like not. 03:37.96 archpodnet Yeah, go ahead, Go ahead. 03:48.75 Doug Some museums just don't even have a shoesar budget. They're literally volunteer led museum. So I have one in my town which is tiny I was okay so we're a suburb of Edinburgh. So yeah, there's a bigger city next to us. But ours our town is twelve sixteen thousand people as a suburb. 03:52.97 Andrew Yep. 04:06.97 Doug And it has a tiny museum that's open seasonally and it's all run by volunteers. Um, and so there are a lot of those museums as well that it's It's not even that they're looking for volunteers. They are nothing but volunteers. So there's there's a lot of um, opportunities out there I Also just expand a little bit. You can. 04:09.38 archpodnet Nice. 04:25.60 Doug Maybe look at some less off the beat one. So there'll be like a lot of local history places. Um, but sometimes like art galleries also end up um, sort of moving into that sort of cultural area. Um, and just you know there's There's a lot out there that like ah. 04:37.29 Andrew Um, yeah. 04:45.30 Doug I guess what? I'd say is don't just Google like archeology museum um be a bit more broad in like local history or just anthropology. Um, yeah, use a bunch of different terms. Um, because there'll be some museums that cover a lot and they'll definitely have like an archeology section. They'd be very interested to have someone work on. Or volunteer on and. 05:05.75 Andrew Yeah, that's a that's a great ah great idea actually my mom is a docent at ah, a local museum in San Francisco so this is a pretty you know, heavy hitter kind of museum and she's retired. She was just into art and she just now she. 05:06.46 archpodnet Ah. 05:11.64 archpodnet Nice. 05:19.57 Andrew Goes I believe twice a week right? So it can become almost a part time job again. They'll take you you know for as little or as much as you can give I do want to touch on 1 tiny thing that Doug talked about a bit before in terms of going to the local colleges a lot of times the college professors can give you guidance but they might not necessarily. 05:19.74 archpodnet Okay. 05:38.86 Andrew Allow you to work on campus because of insurance reasons it just depends. So don't be um, don't be bummed out if they're like oh actually by the way you know you can't come into my lab because you're not a currently enrolled student. It just depends though. It's all it's always fine to ask. 05:42.20 archpodnet Sure. 05:49.55 archpodnet Yeah, yeah, you know I would be remiss in not mentioning this even though it was the very last episode that we released but the site stewardship program in Utah Heather mentioned that there was one in California. 06:05.55 Andrew Yeah, yeah. 06:05.95 archpodnet Maybe in certain areas and other states may have site stewardship programs. So ah, but along those lines I mean that that requires you to not only learn about the site that you're stewarding and and probably archeology in the area but also to actually go out there and do that and now Kate specifically mentioned. Not wanting to travel but maybe like weekend travel every couple of months is not that big a deal but I feel like yeah in having this conversation with you guys I've come to realize that there's probably about 3 different categories of how you can and get involved right? You can work and actually possibly even get paid. You know like some of the. 06:26.70 Andrew Um, yeah. 06:40.81 archpodnet Bigger museums and stuff if you manage to get a position in there. It might actually have some sort of compensation to it. Um, you can learn like do you want to just learn about stuff. Do you want to just increase your knowledge. You're not, You're not interested in necessarily helping or volunteering or doing anything like that. You just want to learn about archeology. That's a different thing entirely right? and then is also help. 06:54.22 Andrew Oh. 06:59.42 archpodnet Volunteering. Do you want to actually work at an archeological site help out at a museum. You know do something like that. So I think you've you've probably got to decide what you want to do along those lines and then decide how you best wanted to do that. You know what I mean because all these options that we're giving you like community college classes that's going to give you knowledge which may help you. Actually volunteer and or become a better volunteer in certain circumstances depending on where you're going to do it or maybe you just want to take you know community college classes and be educated and just do something with your free time and then maybe join your archeological your local archeological society and and listen to a talk once a month and. You know, maybe do site tours or something if they're doing that with other people who are interested and and just be more knowledgeable about that stuff when you do it So you really got to decide what you want your involvement to be and what you want to get out of it. It's the same thing with any career right? Like do you want to be a college professor. Do you want to dig holes for the rest of your life like maybe you can do both but like what do you want to do. 07:52.18 Andrew And. 07:55.83 archpodnet We'll determine the path to get there. You know what I mean can you think of any other involvement categories so to speak that that we could be talking about here. 08:04.89 Doug Um I was just actually I have a couple things to throw in there one is when we haven't mentioned. Um, if you're looking for involvement. There's the passport and time um project for the forest service I believe. 08:15.60 archpodnet Um, oh yeah, yeah. 08:20.28 Doug Um, so there's national ones and actually um, they do accept volunteers as well like to have people go through archives or or help out at National parks and stuff like that and they tend to be pretty good. So National Parks State Parks Um, even looking at some of the less. So. 08:24.30 archpodnet Such me. 08:39.79 Doug I don't know how familiar this person is with archaeology but like you know Blm is something that we all know in archaeology as the bureau of land management. But like most people have no idea that they do ah they're probably the biggest archaeological. Clients I would say out of out of all the departments. Yeah um, easily in the west. Yeah and and like so it's it's looking at those um Army Corps of engineers as well is another one that like people are not going to think of when they think of archeology but they're another big one but where they'll. 08:59.57 archpodnet In the west. Yeah. 09:18.80 Doug Might have volunteering opportunities depends on the how close you are to maybe 1 of their archives and sorry for coughing everyone's ear. Um, yeah, um, and then back to like Chris what you're saying how like different involvement if people just want to learn stuff. 09:26.70 archpodnet Um, yeah, kids are good. 09:35.66 Doug There's actually a lot of organizations that now, especially after covid still do zoom lectures or at least put their lectures online. So there's a ton of stuff like that I mean so I run a small charity. We do that Youtube channels recording archaeology but I would say is like we do the archaeology conferences. So. 09:40.28 archpodnet Yeah. 09:55.19 Doug Sometimes the audience is aimed at other archaeologists so it can be very jargon-hey but there are a lot of organizations out there who do put their lectures online or you know you could see them live or um, just see the recordings that are much more accessible actually I prefer them as well because like jargonheavy if. It's not my area of archaeology sounds like they're speaking latin and sometimes they are um, yeah, yeah, um, but that's there's other ones so one that comes off top of my head is ah the oriental institute of Chicago um, they actually have a ah. 10:19.58 archpodnet I know right? Sometimes they are ah. 10:33.14 archpodnet Um, enough. 10:33.94 Doug Pretty nice Youtube channel lecture series where it's actually aimed at just general. Um, you know archaeology and so they focus you know Middle East and stuff like that. But there are a lot of people now who put their lectures online sorry guys. 10:48.36 archpodnet Nice. 10:51.27 Doug Sorry editing Chris you're going to have to edit out these costs I apologize getting over a cold. Um, and yeah, um, just to say that like there is a lot like there's you could probably spend the next like 10 years of your life shows looking at Youtube videos. 10:55.20 archpodnet I'm I know I'm muting mine. 11:00.54 archpodnet Um, yeah. 11:06.16 archpodnet Nice. 11:07.57 Doug Ah, people have put their lectures up So there's a lot out there that if you want to learn that doesn't have to be formal. You don't need to ask. Anyone's permission. You literally just go online and start surfing and looking around for ah people that have put up their conference. You know their presentations. 11:22.42 Andrew Right? You know I would just add a couple couple little bits for those of you who are into Zoom archeology lectures or whatever make sure to put them on your calendar because what happens is you'll see these cool events. 11:22.68 archpodnet Indeed. 11:35.38 Andrew You be like man. Yeah I want to go to that and then you just will totally forget. So for me I like doing those 2 but I have to consciously go put this on your calendar right? now you know because you will forget. Um, and then the other thing where Doug was listing places the a I a the? um ah the. 11:43.86 archpodnet Yes, and. And. 11:54.41 Andrew American was it the American Institute of archeology. It's the one that that publishes archeology magazine they have lectures like that too. 12:00.23 archpodnet Nice all right. We've got. 12:01.40 Doug And that's that's actually another option too is like archaeology magazine. There's a couple I mean there's a couple magazines in the Uk there's archaeology magazine in North America there's there's actually quite a few like outlets that if you just sort of want to have a fun read. 12:11.67 archpodnet Me. 12:19.25 Doug I'm not sure how the quality of National Geographic's gone since um, they sold it. But um, you know there's There's also those sort of options. Um as well I mean we've been talking digital but you can go old school with like newsletters and ah. 12:26.24 Andrew Fine. 12:28.47 archpodnet Yeah, well. Yeah, yeah. 12:39.90 Doug And magazines and all that sort of fun stuff and. 12:41.00 archpodnet Well, before we end this segment I'll mention one more. That's more of a physical and attend that thing and it's a little bit controversial probably but if you find the right ones then they're educational, but but metal detectoring groups right? There are. Definitely some metal detectors out there that are just interested in in you know, finding cans and pot hunting and looting archaeological sites. But I would say the majority of metal detectorists are really just legitimately interested in history and they have a lot of self-gained knowledge there. There could even be archeologists as part of these groups that are they're helping them out and and and also interested in metal detecting. But. You'd have to buy the equipment of course or they may have equipment free to use or borrow or something like that. But it could be a way to you know, just find other people that are interested in this sort of thing and history and and just learning and and going out and doing these things where it's you know, safe and legal and you're you're able to actually you know do it in a good way. So. Ah, let's Doug. Do you have a comment on that. 13:38.84 Doug And yeah I was also going to add. Um, again, it's It's a bit fraught, but there's a lot of people who do sort of arrowhead collecting and um, there's some moral issues around that but some of those people are again very knowledgeable I'm very interested into the archeology. Um, and they. 13:50.10 archpodnet Sure, um. 13:56.98 Doug You know they they do it? Legal um, you know legal is not necessarily the same thing as moral. But um, they're also very nice people and are good there I'd also ah say is you know I've just mentioned you know there's a lot of stuff on Youtube I'd say at places we've mentioned. 14:09.73 archpodnet Enough. 14:14.40 Doug So like the ai and various other sort of archeological organizations are the best places to go because obviously anything can be put on the internet and you could accidentally quite quickly go down a rabbit hole on. Um. Youtube where you're ending up with weird conspiracy theory like um aliens built to pyramids ah sort of stuff and sometimes it's hard to tell because you get what you sort of are like socially acceptable conspiracy people who. They they say a lot of stuff. It sounds very scientific. Um, they have a very good pitch but it's complete bunk but you got to be very careful about that as well. So yeah, I'd say um, definitely be careful and and aim for places that are archeology organizations. 14:51.80 archpodnet Yeah. 14:59.40 archpodnet And yeah. 15:09.22 Doug Um, they're putting it out as opposed to just sort of that more random um because you do get end up with some weird and I say this not just is like weird nonareologists but you also end up with some weird archeologists on on Youtube as well who are a bit. Um, yeah. 15:09.69 archpodnet Um, yeah. 15:12.43 archpodnet Push it. 15:25.53 archpodnet Yeah I saw that I saw that I saw that 1 guy that did that Graham Hancock video what a crack crackpot. So yeah, all right all right? So let's take a break and we'll come back on the other side and wrap this up because I've got some more. 15:25.62 Andrew What are you trying to say what are you trying to say yeah. 15:27.44 Doug Sleep at that. 15:31.65 Andrew And Liz there. 15:43.85 archpodnet Ah, fun stuff to talk about related to staying in archeology without staying in archeology a little bit more outside the box too. So we'll do that on the other side of the break back in a minute.