00:01.00 alifeinruins All right? We're right back with episode one fifty nine so you know real quick Andrew other than the underwater work that you've done I've always been. Maybe it always is is the wrong word. But since getting to know of you through pseudo archeology the pseudo art podcast. You're also. On Youtube and you have your own channel Kenkila teaches archeology and there's like some that have some ah some pretty decent hits on there but you just have these like quick like 4 to 10 minute videos on different topics like what is anthropology like what is this term? Um, but also I'm curious like what because you mentioned this on your podcast before. 00:17.74 Andrew Yeah, yeah. 00:36.74 alifeinruins When you talk about Graham Hancock like we learn this early when with our Instagram pages we we attacked him and we get really weird now when we we try to avoid talking about Graham because it's a weird like he has a cult following and you have you have a video. 00:43.43 Andrew Ah. 00:47.59 Andrew Um, yeah, it hit us. 00:56.45 alifeinruins Graham Hancock is right? An archaeologist responds to Netflix agent apocalypse and'd like spoiler like no, he's not. He's not right and you mentioned that but like what was the one what was kind of like what was your thought press of like I need to respond to this Netflix series but like to what kind of responses were you getting from like the general Youtube. 00:58.56 Andrew Yeah. 01:12.17 Andrew Okay, yeah, yeah, okay this is fascinating. This was a really cool like anthropological study on sort of behind the scenes Youtube people who are watching this in their you know closet sort of sort of thing. Um, so. 01:14.30 alifeinruins Community and. 01:29.20 Andrew Did that episode and I will say thank god it is not my most watched episode some some of my other basic ones like what is anthropology thankfully have more hits in this. But so Graham Hancock's ancient. Apocalypse came out and I was like you know what? I'm just going to do something funny and you can tell from the video. It was a toss off man like like I just I have my tripod set up in my office at all times so all I do is I set my phone you know on the tripod and then I just push record and then I just do it so I just did this 5 minute like joke about how I secretly had atlantean skulls in my office and like I couldn't tell the world and and I just this a toss off man and so I put this thing up and then I check on it like the next day and I'm like I forget what it was. It was like 2000 heads that's lot more than usual and then it like went up like now it has over 20000 hits. But what's interesting is when I first put it up for about the first like day the first 24 hours or so give or take the responses. We're almost all positive ah can Kela this is funny. Ah this is cool. Ah you know like just sort of jovial. How I thought people would take it just light heart it and then it went really dark after that and so after 24 hours after the 24 hour line it got picked up somewhere. Whatever happened. Ah. 02:58.93 Andrew Different clientele was listening and they went to town like at this point it has way over 1000 ah responses and like 94% of them are negative because they're all like how dare you you know and they just stuff that's in all caps. Stuff. That's really long like people are typing for a while before they push send you know, just angry about how I'm just this awful person. My favorite part is when they call me a so called professor. Because I'm like I mean I do get a check every month from this institution and I teach classes. So I'm like a real professor but ah it it was a massive backlash and it was just really, it was just the the biggest. Learning experience and and it's weird even though it's a laugh It's weird when that many people hate you like like it. It kind of puts a little weight on your shoulders as you go through your day like you could laugh it off and I do I don't lose sleep over it. But it's just odd I'm like can we all just chill I just made fun of some. Stupid shit on Netflix like come on man can't we all laugh about this together. 04:09.43 alifeinruins And no matter and like what's funny is like going through those comments they're like you know this makes me want to you know this form of satire makes me think he has a point like no matter how you approach Graham he's so it's so good at at the entrance of every book. Every episode is like scientists hate me archeologists hate me. 04:13.91 Andrew Um, yeah. 04:22.11 Andrew Yeah. 04:25.48 alifeinruins But 1 sight he's he insulates himself so well, no matter how you come at him. It's always wrong like you're always doing it the wrong way and it's just like Jesus Christ 04:26.74 Andrew Course yeah and he has to he has to do that he has to have his setup. That's why he starts the first five minutes of the Netflix series you know talking about how archeologists are terrible and they hate him like he had because he has to set up the conflict. So. 04:40.81 alifeinruins Yeah. 04:45.80 Andrew Whatever you or I say is instantly you know oh you're just you're just jealous. You know, um because he has to have it that way. 04:48.92 alifeinruins Yeah, the only time I got like so like usually wouldn with the podcast and Instagram whatever like we'll get those comments on our feed but like the only one time I was like really personally attacked I did ah I was like a featured guest for I think it was evolution soup. Um. Over in England and I made the comment like archeology moves toward 1 death at a time that it's the like the old silver backs like we basically have to wait for these people to die because now they're to control the conferences. The journals that and I was like so we basically have to wait for these people dying like people did not like that response like how like are you fuck. 05:16.57 Andrew Right. 05:22.36 Andrew Oh come on. Yeah look that is the most tame joke out there I mean. 05:27.18 alifeinruins After I set up the whole conference. It was just like craziness and I was like okay and I was I'm done like all right? okay. 05:37.83 Andrew Ah, part part of my dark history was I I was part of a comedy team for a couple years I did like Improv you know cut like if you've ever seen whose line is it Anyway, it's that kind of show like like ah team on Team Improv So um, in terms of jokes I'm like come on that is so like. 05:46.79 alifeinruins Right? right. 05:56.97 Andrew Fifth grade like who cares it. It doesn't mean it's not funny. It is funny and it's true and there's nothing negative about that. You stated a fact like big deal like hey I got to wait for some people to die because there's very few jobs and like you could say any of that. It's true like. 06:06.80 alifeinruins Right? That's just so goofy. 06:14.10 alifeinruins That it was that was crazy. 06:16.45 Andrew It's it's harsh. Yeah, not but not really because it's like if we're talking about cancer cancers negative but it's true people get cancer and die and it sucks but like you could bring it up I know that that drives me nuts What everyone is so precious and pearl clutching over the. 06:25.41 alifeinruins You know. 06:34.97 Andrew Little is nothing. Yeah. 06:36.77 alifeinruins Jaist yeah, dumbest shit and it's just like goofy and like generally like I liked your take on on Graham because it's like 1 of those jokes that we Connor and David have had like you know if if. If he's right like fuck where's our secret membership and payment to the underground cabal. It's like we want in like if why are we left out. Why don't we get to know the secrets you know? Um, but at the end of the day. It's just like you know and I'm like dreading because I know flint dibble is going to debate graham on fucking. 06:57.27 Andrew Yeah. 07:05.97 Andrew Um, yes, yeah. 07:09.13 alifeinruins Joe Rogan experience it's like flint. What the fuck are you doing like that is not a safe place or an environment like you're just going to get roasted my dude like oh god. 07:16.14 Andrew I I Um I have a I think that's a complex topic I Ah part of me is like why? not you know because honestly a lot of times the worst critics for that stuff are fellow archeologists. It's like. 07:34.19 alifeinruins Right. 07:35.40 Andrew Oh they just sit there and go oh I can't believe he did this. Oh I can't believe it's like dude he's trying to do something to kind of just beat it all back a little yes there the possibility of it ending in flames is high. But so what can we all just relax like um I'm i'm. Happy. He's going on Joe Rogan actually but I'm also I would say beware he has to have a really good idea of how he personally casts. That's what I always say like you have to have the right person in terms of how they cast to an audience and if you cast like. 08:05.32 alifeinruins Right. 08:13.41 Andrew I'm a know it all nerdy guy I'm not saying he casts like this or not but like you you have to cast as like a chill like ah affable. You know a person or it will never work because it is a religion you cannot you know. 08:31.19 Andrew Persuade people with all your facts The other way they just won't go for it. Yeah. 08:33.96 alifeinruins Exactly yeah, that's all about presentation. What I love most about Graham is he always talks shit about how he's about academics how he's not a trained archeologist but he always dressed as like a field scientist and like it's like it's perfect because he's still tapping in subconsciously to some of these like visual. 08:41.35 Andrew I Know yep. 08:50.22 Andrew Easily? Oh yeah, yeah, right dead before you start if you come in with like a tweed jacket like you are fucking. 08:53.77 alifeinruins Affirmations that he knows what he's talking about and it's like flint. Whatever you like just fucking wear like a Metallica t-shirt like do not come in looking like an academic in any way shape or form. It's like yeah. 09:09.87 Andrew Dead like you have to you have to come in just chill like I got my Hawaiian t-shirt on you know, hey what's up guys. Anyway, what's for lunch right on this show looks decent. What are we talking about? you know like and then you got a chance. But yeah, you're right? it. 09:25.69 alifeinruins Right? Yeah, we went through a whole thing. Yeah, we'll see I um, we'll see like I was talking to John hopes about it not too long ago because every time Graham talks about archeology. He always has to slam John and like these. 09:28.41 Andrew We shall see. I He hits him first. Yeah. 09:40.30 alifeinruins Just always like you know the coward John hopes and it's like his announcement about debating flint was like flin's accepted and like 2 paragraphs I'm like fuck John Hopps and it's like to be determined. It was like Jesus. Okay, yeah. 09:45.69 Andrew Yeah, right? Yeah, you know such is life with all that crap I Just wish we would all chill out a little more and have a laugh you know, but but alas now alas now. 10:03.41 alifeinruins Yeah, but I mean like certainly like your podcast gets a lot of laughs like when I listen to it. It's like a fun time. It's it's very much like let's talk about I was cracking up what I saw your episode in like Clovis and and pseudo archeology I was like holy shit here we go like if you're gonna. 10:04.92 Andrew Ah, yeah. 10:17.15 Andrew Oh yeah. 10:21.51 alifeinruins Burn or not burn bridges but it's like this is an episode that's going to get archeologists a little wound up, especially those that was free. 10:25.29 Andrew Oh wait which one you mean? Um, ah oh just Clovis and jet like um oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Clovis First yeah, um, and and I sort of try to explain it out because there are sort of twists and turns in that. But. 10:30.91 alifeinruins It was like the clovis firsters was it. 10:41.94 alifeinruins Move. 10:43.12 Andrew But ah yeah for me for me Personally, you can't be. You know you can't say that that I mean you you basically can't say Clovis is first. There's some earlier stuff but not crazy early like the only good you know how I mean you know this stuff like the the only good. 10:54.46 alifeinruins Right? so. 10:58.97 Andrew Stuff in terms of dates by the time you get to 16000 you're getting pretty thin and by the time it's 17 You're kind of out you know in terms of for sure. Good dated stuff. But yeah. 11:10.39 alifeinruins Yeah, absolutely I just thought that was like a really fun because it came out like just early enough I think it was like early January Mid January when that episode came out of the year I was able to use that in class to talk about like. 11:20.20 Andrew Me. Oh My God yeah. 11:25.91 alifeinruins Taught that science communication and public anthropology class to talk about like you know, even within archeology. There are these weird you know trying to set up these conversations within the field and then to move like kind of outside like you know there are these divisions and some of this goofy shit. But I mean your episodes. Ah I mean they're just like a fun. 11:33.66 Andrew Yeah, yeah. 11:45.28 alifeinruins Fun time like I I usually binge them like on car rides. It's 30 minutes it's just youre like almost unwrant like some of these get like the tonewood debate was about guitars I haven't listened that one yet because I was just like I have no idea what the fuck's going on but then you. 11:45.34 Andrew That's right, that's. 12:01.77 alifeinruins Mention it in a later podcast like let me I got this email about it and I was like okay well let me go listen to this tone would be because I'm like what clearly someone got wound up about this and if someone's getting wound up then I need to go back and. 12:03.61 Andrew Yeah, but they got so angry I knew that one would hit in terms of like having an angry audience because in electric guitar world that is like this like like to the. Death debate that they have and it's like if you look at the science behind it. You're like the type of wood your electric guitar is made out of makes no difference the and look at the sign you know like but but it's a religion just like with Graham Hancock like they won't let it go. Like no look an acoustic guitar. Yes, an electric guitar. No, they're very different actually um, but anyway, yeah, it's that it's such a funny world and I'm so glad you're listening to my show the way I always hope people do you're like I'm listening to it in the car I'm just sort of you know. Ah, listening to a few at a time I'm having a bit of a laugh like that's what I want you know and in terms of archeology when we were talking about how there's these little you know infighting groups within archeology itself I always say look first. Can we all have a laugh and second I'm Andrew Kinkella 13:04.22 alifeinruins Yeah. 13:18.80 Andrew Friend to all okay like we're all so lucky that we can live this life being full time archeologists that people get to pay us for this Stuff. We've all won the lottery right? So Let's all just enjoy our winnings. You know and let's just talk talk about archeology and enjoy I can have a different point of view from you but I'm not going to hate you after I'm just going to be happy that I still get to do this thing. 13:33.67 alifeinruins That right, right? right. 13:43.34 alifeinruins Yeah, what I love most and why I did those episodes which just me is like we got like December I was like procrastinating and shit I how to do and like went on to Reddit and I was like a life like our slash archeologistologists like I'm a host of life runs. How can we make this better and a lot of comments were like we feel your show. It's like we're kind of. 13:53.16 Andrew Yeah. 14:03.14 alifeinruins Outsiders listening into 3 guys talking or with the guests like we're at that outside circle where we're either like it's kind of like listen to people at a conference at the next table over but your show is very much almost like this. It's like you're talking to me as a person as ah as a listener like it feels way more conversational of like you're like. 14:03.43 Andrew Over. Right. 14:15.10 Andrew Yes. 14:20.93 alifeinruins Very similar to this like it's almost like I'm listening to your podcast right now because the way that I listen to it. It's very much like hi I'm andric and kill let me tell you about this topic and it feels like you're speaking directly to me not like ruins where I'm usually speaking to my cohosts and and a guest and so like that's what I love most and like how your podcast is different because even like. 14:21.15 Andrew Right. 14:31.75 Andrew Right? But it's it. 14:40.89 alifeinruins Um, the Crm show and all the others. They're very similar like it's a group of people and you feel as an audience member whereas in your podcast I feel as a participant in that conversation if that makes sense. 14:42.40 Andrew Yeah, yeah. 14:48.27 Andrew Right? It it makes total sense and it's just it's just because of the setup I'm a solo act you know where I'm I am telling a story. It reminds me a lot of a lot of the drama stuff I used to do or whatever doing that podcast you know because I'm. 14:56.51 alifeinruins Hey. 15:07.00 Andrew I'm basically setting up a show for an audience right? It's for the audience when when we talk in in the round you know on these other shows where there's several of us you're right? we are talking ah to each other and the audience is listening in but that's okay, that's the setup of the show you know, um it. 15:24.10 alifeinruins Right? Absolutely yeah, no, but it's it's a lot of fun I'm really glad that you reached out and about coming on and we were able to. We are able to get you on ruins for to to have you on it and talk more about it to hear more about like your work. 15:26.12 Andrew But it it is 2 different tastes. 15:36.39 Andrew Out. 15:41.23 alifeinruins Outside of just some of those fun episodes like let me tell you about hauling fucking aluminum tanks to the through the forest or just like. 15:45.91 Andrew It was I can still feel at my knees to this day you know it was. It was so much extra weight for the human body to carry along a long ways. You know how much all that crap weighs. It's just it's really really heavy. Um. 15:51.68 alifeinruins How I pat yeah I was bitching about just moving it like less than fifty feet from the back of a pickup into a boat with a slot in it and like I can't imagine like hauling that thing six miles including like 16:06.38 Andrew Yeah, it it was one of those It was one of those things where it was so heavy that whenever we stopped walking you had to make this command decision of are you going to put anything down or not. 16:10.47 alifeinruins The fins the gallon of water you got on your back and all your tools on top like now fuck that I'm not I'll Ill buy a helicopter. 16:24.79 alifeinruins Write. 16:25.40 Andrew You know because you're gonna have to like like you you take the tank and put it down and now you're hugely heavy Backpacker Are you going to take that off and put it down because you're gonna have to bend over and pick it back up you know and so I remember most of the time So when we stopped walking I would just stand with all the stuff still on kind of the same. 16:34.95 alifeinruins Um, right. 16:43.62 Andrew Idea that you had earlier in terms of taking your mask off. It's like do I take my mask off and freeze my face or or when you were like do do I go back down into the cold or do I or you know do I warm myself or do I just stay cold. It's the same idea like I'm just like I'm just going to stay tired with all this crap on. 16:56.90 alifeinruins Um, yeah, oh. 17:00.40 Andrew Um, because once I take it off. Oh I can't imagine putting it back on. 17:05.62 alifeinruins Fair enough. Well excellent. So we've reached the end of the episode so you know you know Dr can Killa like what are some resources. Um, these be books videos. Whatever that you recommend or audience listed to regarding either like pseudocience or your work and. 17:08.20 Andrew The first man. 17:23.52 alifeinruins Central America 17:23.89 Andrew Oh yeah, in terms of if you want to learn more? um I Really like ah, frauds myths and mysteries. That's a that's a great classic book which I actually used when I was a T a one time and I think I'm going to do um. 17:34.48 alifeinruins Frauds method which was. 17:41.12 Andrew A show on my experiences using that because that has that had its own interest I really recommend that for the pseudo archeology world I of course, recommend myself the pseudo archeology podcast. Um I'm also part of the crm podcast and then my oh my Youtube videos. Anyone out there if you watch any of my Youtube videos feel free to comment on any of them because I kind of can see the scrolling comments as they come in and I do take them seriously if there's a video you guys want and you don't haven't had me do if you have questions about archeology. You want me to answer I love doing that stuff I take like audience questions. All the time because I just want to answer whatever people are curious about um in terms of other other books on the the subject. You know there's if you're just curious about the ancient Maya. There's Michael close classic book the maya which I use in class and I think really works. Well I think it's yeah, easy. 18:36.60 alifeinruins So like 10008 yeah okay 18:37.37 Andrew To use for the maya. It's the most recent one I think is newer so they redid it a bunch of times he died fairly recently. But um, they redid it right up to the right up to the nub. So um. 18:54.78 alifeinruins Got you know. 18:56.78 Andrew That one's good. My ah my my textbook Kingin Ke teaches archeology if you're into intro to archeology type stuff. You always check that it. Um, sorry no oh my god see I have so many irons and so many fires I got it wrong see I'm just I'm not a professional. Let's be honest, ah. 19:03.86 alifeinruins So that's the name of your Youtube channel and the book that you look. 19:16.35 Andrew My textbook is called archeology is awesome. Yeah, you know the the easiest way to get in touch with me actually is through my Youtube channel just because I see those comments like like right away. It's like oh there they are i. 19:18.69 alifeinruins I Feel do is awesome. Okay, perfect and where can our listeners find you on social media or worth can they email you at. 19:36.17 Andrew I have like a Facebook account and I have a Twitter account and all that kind of good stuff but I have to be honest I barely ever use them so they are there. They do exist but I'm telling you the Youtube um comment section is really where I see it a lot and I can really um. 19:42.24 alifeinruins Sir. 19:52.99 Andrew Write back really easily. 19:54.13 alifeinruins Sweet and last but certainly not least if given the chance again would you still choose to live a life in ruins. 19:59.76 Andrew Oh hell yeah, it's been great I am so fortunate for my career. 20:08.76 alifeinruins Excellent, well everyone. Ah this has been episode one fifty nine we just interviewed Dr Andrew Kenkella professor of archeology at Moore Park ah college and California in that giant state. Um and keep listening and if you have ah, always always always. If you're listening to us on the all shows feed stop stop chewing right? now go into our individual show subscribe to us listen there that way we can get all the metrics for how well our show is doing please. Um. 20:28.66 Andrew Um. 20:40.96 alifeinruins Email us with any questions concerns or topics of interest or or people that we should interview and I think that's our usual closure. Oh yeah, rain subscribe to the podcast. Always always always really appreciate seeing those 5 stars 4 stars even though occasional one star. We really appreciate when people let us know what's up and with that we are out. 20:46.21 Andrew Um, yeah.