00:00.55 archpodnet And welcome back to episode one twenty seven of life rooms podcast we are here for the 6 time again segment 3 with Stefan Milo considering our car true, not controversy conversation about the passing of ah Queen Elizabeth 00:10.73 Jesus of Nayarit Well. 00:18.22 archpodnet Ah, second yeah. 00:18.63 Duke Of Worcester The second. 00:20.83 Jesus of Nayarit um the unburnt um queen of the great grassy um mother of dragons and rule of the 7 kingdoms. 00:27.26 archpodnet 1 of my favorite memes that came out of the 2012 London Olympics was just like seeing the queen like look at the parade of nations and it says in subtitles like look at all the countries I used to own oh boy anyways, so. 00:41.60 Duke Of Worcester Yeah, yeah. 00:46.72 archpodnet Um, yeah, colonization's a bitch isn't it. 00:51.10 Duke Of Worcester Yeah. 00:52.59 Jesus of Nayarit Um, yeah, um, so. 00:54.70 archpodnet Poor Kenya. 00:59.73 Duke Of Worcester There's ah, there's no question. It tarnishes our reputation I think that's safe to say it's a. 01:02.89 archpodnet For the matter. 01:04.40 Jesus of Nayarit Where the bad is ah I guess as um, well I don't know where ah or all a mixed bag here I don't know where I was going with this but um, yeah I don't. 01:20.28 archpodnet Yeah I saw like I saw a couple things like about the colonization thing like there was like north like indigenous people belonging to nations within the United States were were bashing it and I was you know from a historical so perspective like. 01:20.40 Jesus of Nayarit I don't remember where I was going with that. You guys take over. 01:21.56 Duke Of Worcester What can I ask. 01:38.59 archpodnet United States getting independence is really what fucked over most indigenous people and in the continental United States because the king at that time like there was that deal that that pissed off colonists. We talked about this in 1 episode where one of the the big issues. 1 of the primary issues that um, people wanted to leave the crown was the crown had set up rule. That said you cannot go past the appalachian mountains like that is indian territory. We'll never cross that you guys are colonies on the East Coast and that's all you'll ever be and like and then they were like you know what fuck you King George and then they crossed it and it's like you know. 02:07.00 Jesus of Nayarit Do you think they wouldn't cross it. 02:15.29 archpodnet From for where I come from my family comes from and in the Nebraska like our big batties were the spanish like we were tight with the french and we were dealing with the spanish aggression like that's who our first european power of problems was um. Never it never really became england we just dealt with the french spanish and then the United States so like the king or Queen of England never had real bearing over our ancestral territory in the plains and so I never really got. Like I can understand as as we talked about like Kenya New Zealand these other folks like I can understand why those indigenous populations have issues with the with the monarchy but I never saw that play out necessarily in a continental us. But. 03:03.36 Duke Of Worcester It's interesting. Yeah, how um you know I mean you say that the british said don't go past the appalachian mountains but you know Canada goes from coast to coast to na I mean it's not exactly like we. 03:14.87 archpodnet Ah, yeah, does yeah. 03:18.23 Duke Of Worcester We stuck hard and fast to that rule. Um, and you know if I was an indigenous Canadian or a member of the first nations I So I think they prefer to be called. 03:37.18 Duke Of Worcester How do I feel about the british monarchy you know that's ah I imagine not favorably I imagine I would know? Yeah, so it's but day to day life in Britain. 03:38.21 Jesus of Nayarit Ready. 03:40.78 archpodnet I Yeah oh I know they do not. 03:56.47 Duke Of Worcester Realistically,, We're just not thinking about all that stuff. Do you know what? I mean like the average British person going about their daily life. Um, the Queen is is the Queen you know, Obviously we love our own people. We. Have a fondness of our traditions Even if I personally think we need to reform them. They're still like that sort of attachment to your own country and your own people in your own traditions and day to day with you Know. We're just living our lives sad to say we're just not thinking of Kenyan Independence Movements or the treatment of Canadian indigenous people and in a day-to-day life. We only tend to think about them when these big moments happen. Um, so. 04:34.70 Jesus of Nayarit Right. 04:36.17 archpodnet Yeah I mean how much yeah I mean how much power does the Royal family actually have like is it aren't they mostly just kind of figureheads and like. 04:48.77 Duke Of Worcester It's a. 04:53.34 archpodnet And meet with the prime minister once a week to basically be like. 04:57.12 Duke Of Worcester People say people say they're a figurehead in theory. They're a figurehead I disagree I disagree First of all who has a direct line to the leader of the country every week that's a powerful even just to voice your opinion in front of someone like that every single week week in week out. Is a powerful position to be in secondly because of the constitutional ambiguity of all these countries because everything is just invested in the crown and all layers of government are merely acting as a representative of the crown. Um. Let's say King Charles does give a opinion on something or he does say what it should you know a law should be like even if ultimately the countries don't listen to him. Just the fact that one person could like utter a sentence and cause a constitutional crisis in half the world is like a madness like a mad situation to be in. You know, like imagine like so much of Canada for example is crown land and you could substitute crown. 05:56.57 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah. 05:56.73 archpodnet Ah, yeah. 06:05.97 Duke Of Worcester For the state in that scenario. It's no different really from the us federal government owning land except that in this situation. The crown is also literally a person living in London and her you know Uncle sat it would be like Uncle Sam actually being real like a guy in Washington is called Sam. 06:17.49 Jesus of Nayarit Um. 06:19.91 archpodnet Um. 06:24.99 Duke Of Worcester And he in theory is like the deed holder to everything and so. 06:27.82 archpodnet The thought of Uncle Sam like popping on at a campsite in Yellowstone just checking on people is is entertained just is is pin stripe like red and yeah, red and white or white and red ah fucking pants. 06:31.56 Duke Of Worcester Yeah, in his like big red and white suit red white and blue suit. 06:40.56 Jesus of Nayarit Only you can prevent forest fires brother flops out otherwise it would be something like. 06:45.61 archpodnet Ah. 06:46.21 Duke Of Worcester Yeah, but what if he didn't say only you can prevent forest Fireers What if he said get off my picnic table. This is my picnic table Now you know it's ah yeah, so I'm obviously no legal expert I'm no legal expert. But. 06:55.19 archpodnet Um, ah. 06:55.25 Jesus of Nayarit Get out the appalachians. Yeah. 07:03.52 Duke Of Worcester As I said if someone can cause like could cause huge political damage through just like the uttering of a few words to me, they're still powerful people. 07:11.53 archpodnet Yeah, that's fair, they have a lot of influence that way. 07:17.54 Jesus of Nayarit Um I think it's interesting. You bring up the point of ah you know like you'd have to rewrite the monarch like constitutions everywhere I see all this stuff about like Cancel Canada and like there's like these people that like they'll put the duct tape over the mouth. That's like you know it's signifying and. The loss of indigenous agency and stuff and in the past but like cool like if you want to cancel Canada. It's fine but like what happens the next day like do do we just resort back to anarchy like I don't understand like what. Is next like I understand the movement and I like support their their feelings but like it would be insane like to to New Zealand Australia Canada like just completely rewrite the constitution to favor indigenous people the next day um and a lot of that's largely due to the crown. Which is like interesting and it's just it's complicated. 08:10.69 archpodnet Yeah I mean what system would you replace it with you just get a president as the executive branch and that's like the go to now right? like you know. 08:21.64 Jesus of Nayarit You could just yeah install a little. Yeah. 08:23.40 Duke Of Worcester You would have to you have to do a lot I mean at least in terms of Britain. The power Britain is Uk is in theory made of 4 countries but their governments and the powers of each of those governments are not well defined. All of them have representatives in parliament in London. But Scotland also has a parliament wales has an assembly which is different to a parliament for some reason they have less powers and you know if if we're rewriting the constitution if I was a welsh person I would think why should my government have less powers over my life than a scottish government and. 08:59.62 Jesus of Nayarit Get the same. 09:01.74 Duke Of Worcester You know the same in Northern Ireland they have less powers Northern Ireland the government of Northern Ireland gets literally shut down all the time by the gun government in London when they can't reach an agreement because of their various you know, political issues. But again if I was a northern irish person. Why should my vote. The worth less than a scottish person's vote and then there are regions of England like all the regions of England if you're not from London London dominates the entire country. It's because it's not only the biggest financial center but it's a big political center. It'd be like New York and Washington d c. And your state capital were all in the same location and so it just sucks money and power out of every region of Britain and all of these if we get rid of the monarchy and suddenly everything's up for grabs we need to rewrite all of those. Ah you know we need to define. 09:37.35 archpodnet Right. 09:54.60 Duke Of Worcester These relationships that at the minute are not defined and that's so difficult and with the colonies I don't know what you would replace it with I don't know what you would replace it with that's this issues are so complicated. But. I Would imagine that there are the treaties we signed with indigenous nations are frequently ignored and I would imagine if we're rewriting the constitution. Those nations would want it that they couldn't be Ignored. You know. 10:22.57 Jesus of Nayarit Oh. 10:33.37 Duke Of Worcester Ah, so that's is but it's so complicated I don't know. 10:35.43 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah I don't know how you feel Carlton. 10:39.20 archpodnet I it's it's a cluster fuck I mean like I'm dealing with trying like I've been bitching about this in group text like like redoing the pawny nation constitution like with a group of 50 people for us. You know a tribal nation with 3500 trying to redo our almost hundred year old constitution and that is a fucking nightmare I couldn't imagine something to scale that Stefan's talking about where it's like how just by removing the monarchy. Not only is it just okay the united kingdoms government. But then all the different countries that make up the united kingdom how they all interact with each other and then all the god damn colonies like that's like that's that's crazy that that's a process that can't like can't be done overnight. That would take the better part of a decade to bring a lot of people together to to figure this out because you know just the removal of the united kingdom from um the european union. Ah, still an ongoing cluster fuck. 11:54.23 Duke Of Worcester There's a nightmare. 11:55.10 Jesus of Nayarit Her. 11:55.35 archpodnet Like that's yeah man maybe it would be better if they just would back to an arc. 12:00.34 Duke Of Worcester It would be it would certainly every country you would have to approach it with the perspective of like you said this is gonna this is not gonna happen overnight we you would have to say something like okay, King Charles is not gonna be king on whatever January first twentythirtyfive and so now we've basically got this time to figure out what will replace them and get those ah things to and work but mustering that kind of political will across many nations. Ah, so difficult so difficult every nation realistically would have to come up with their own solution of course, but but it would be a what a lot of paperwork if nothing else. What a lot of paperwork. 12:38.35 Jesus of Nayarit Well. 12:53.64 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah I mean we figured it out but that was before you know? well there was a war and like it didn't didn't go quickly. Ah, yeah, and then we became a superpower. Um, but. 13:05.29 Duke Of Worcester Well I took a civil war too in a way you could argue no but also the American Civil War you could argue that those are like issues of so like States independence that when. 13:09.97 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah, with England yeah. 13:18.15 Jesus of Nayarit What a. 13:22.57 Duke Of Worcester Obviously it was about slavery don't at me on Twitter guys I know it was about slavery but but you know I'm sure the slaveholders considered these ah issues of of states rights in in some way and so you could argue that. 13:23.60 Jesus of Nayarit Um, share it. 13:33.22 Jesus of Nayarit Right. 13:37.32 Duke Of Worcester Like even America's independence from Britain took like 100 years and 2 wars to sort out. Potentially. 13:43.13 Jesus of Nayarit That's very true. It's like what does a former colony now just like autonomously decide between itself and then it rips itself in half that's actually interesting. Um I guess like the the former Soviet Union you could look at like when they. Communism goes away in the ninety. S. They all split up into little republics I guess in a way but are they really autonomous. You know that we can argue that or not but um, and then we get the issue. 14:13.90 Duke Of Worcester While they also have had gone through many wars one of which is still ongoing shout out like to use the example of the former Soviet Union Russia is in the process of ingrading Ukraine moolddova is split in half ah Armenia and Azerbaijan are fighting a war. 14:23.14 Jesus of Nayarit Right. 14:30.63 Duke Of Worcester Georgia is fighting a war Kyrgyzstan and ah Uzbekistan have also started a small war I believe during this time. Yeah because Russia was the figurehead of this sort of security agreement and now that Russia's in a weak position. Politically everyone's ah. 14:36.37 archpodnet What oh shit. 14:37.48 Jesus of Nayarit So will. 14:48.95 archpodnet Yeah, cut up. 14:50.49 Duke Of Worcester You know again, everything's up for grabs I don't think it would be that way with Canada and Australia and New Zealand but it would it but it would still take so much political will to begin a process of like restructuring your society takes just a huge amount of energy. 14:53.71 archpodnet Ah, right? yeah. 15:10.36 Duke Of Worcester It's going to be the only thing you do for the next ten years for sure. 15:10.57 archpodnet Yeah, and then there's gonna be. There's still gonna be ripple effects from that like you're gonna have to work out the kings you know and then what happens to the Royal family. You get rid of them. Do they just end up apparently the the German Royal family still exists. 15:11.55 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah. 15:17.00 Duke Of Worcester Yeah. 15:21.32 Jesus of Nayarit Um. 15:28.57 Duke Of Worcester Yeah I mean they all like they just become wealthy private citizens I suppose I would take 90% of their stuff if it was me if you ask me I'm going to give them I'll be generous and I'll believe them 1 palace. But I get to pick it and they're not big. They're not big in Buckingham Palace in the center of London as their crib. No way and all the treasures inside it ah they would just become. Yeah, they would just become your regular millionaire with a cool family story. 15:51.30 Jesus of Nayarit Um. 16:06.23 Duke Of Worcester I suppose. 16:06.58 Jesus of Nayarit Right? Um I mean I guess not to play Devil's advocate but like in the sense of watching it as an anthropologist like. The queen lying in state like a funeral thing and it's like a state thing and there's like millions of people pouring into like mourn and like the whole parade through London with the coffin and like just like the guards changing while she's lying in state and stuff and like him addressing the the nation like. It is interesting culturally to see like this is a huge english like world culture on display with all this like pageantry that's like traditional but like and then it gets to the argument like is it necessary. Um. I don't know I just found it impressive I guess would be the word but I also understand there's a lot of asterisks on that impressiveness. Um, like I wouldn't even say a lot of asterisks I would say a lot of blood on the on that pageantry. 17:08.44 Duke Of Worcester It is certainly in impressive gong calling. 17:09.57 archpodnet But it's also like her family created that that televised pageantry. You know what? I mean like King George his was not televised right like I understand like Prince um Prince Philip like his his was televised but. 17:15.80 Jesus of Nayarit M. 17:26.83 archpodnet He started this whole allowing the the monarchy to be shown through these different multimedia and so like that's when I saw the Queen Lion State I was just like holy shit I am in Indiana and I can see this procession of of people. For a world later occurring like what that's bonkers to me. You know what? I mean and that's the first time a member of the royal family like air like jet blood jit you know royal family. We can see this happen in real. 17:46.33 Jesus of Nayarit Where. 18:00.53 archpodnet Real time So like a lot of these events that we've seen like the the marriages and all that other stuff. It's like that's super recent in terms of even just the breadth of the British Monarchy the ability for just random people not just the nobility of of European royalty. 18:01.11 Jesus of Nayarit Twice dreamed. 18:10.95 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah. 18:19.22 archpodnet But for everyone across the world to see that that's fucking nuts. 18:25.62 Jesus of Nayarit You're gonna say something. 18:25.77 Duke Of Worcester I think yeah I think it's been a conscious ah the decision to cultivate their celebrity to yeah, make sure they're relevant in people's lives like Queen Victoria she 18:29.98 archpodnet And. 18:41.40 Duke Of Worcester Like when her husband Prince Albert Died she basically just like dipped out for the rest of her life like 20 years didn't do anything and ah the monarch realistically doesn't have that ability anymore if yeah King Charles I even hate calling and King Charles if citizen Charles chose to do the same thing. 18:45.75 Jesus of Nayarit What. 18:59.82 Duke Of Worcester Um, you know they would be there would be uproar there'd be uproar I think they have to maintain that celebrity to keep in people's minds I Think the worst thing from them from their perspective would be for people to stop thinking about them because then it's really like.. What do we need these guys for who's that um so I think like them I think it's ah you know they are very deliberately visible I would say um, but. 19:20.39 Jesus of Nayarit Oh yeah. 19:38.54 Duke Of Worcester But people's feelings of of love for them are genuine for sure. People are queuing up for a long time to see them I know people that I know people who are approaching 70 who queued up for 24 hours just to walk past the queen's coffin for yeah, 5 seconds so 19:56.27 Jesus of Nayarit That's wild. 19:57.53 Duke Of Worcester People's feelings of love for them are genuine and and I do understand I do understand it because as there's that feeling it and everyone to sort of love their own people and to love their. Traditions even when even me who would abolish them tomorrow when I saw like everyone on an irish Twitter celebrating. It's sort of like um, you know it's like whoa whoa this is for us to sort out island okay, calm down calm down. 20:23.13 Jesus of Nayarit Ah. 20:33.16 Duke Of Worcester Like ah even if I agree with you understand you? Yeah once someone else starts talking badly about your country. You get your backup in ah in a defensive way. Ah, and ah I don't and that's obviously not unique to british people I'm sure all of us could criticize America right now. 20:44.55 Jesus of Nayarit Fair. 20:52.82 Duke Of Worcester Um, but if 1 of you guys went to France and this french guy just wouldn't shut up about America's problems you'd probably be like all right pierre. What's so great about France. Yeah, so I do understand I do understand and sympathize. Ah and I and i. 21:02.81 Jesus of Nayarit Um, yeah, a hundred percent 21:12.17 Duke Of Worcester I would care a lot less if Britain had a monarchy if we didn't need all this other constitutional reform in my opinion. You know if we went through all of that process and at the end of it was like oh let's keep the king I'd be like okay, whatever, fine, but all of all of the countries of the commonwealth. Ultimately we're delaying this moment of like. Reform I personally feel like like we're just kicking the can down the road for another hundred years or whatever but it's it's really cathartic to rant about this because everyone else I know loves the royal family and they'll just tell me to shut up. So I really appreciate the life and ruins for. 21:36.13 Jesus of Nayarit Um, yeah, interesting points man. 21:50.71 Duke Of Worcester Giving me this opportunity to vent politically about the Royal family. 21:51.97 archpodnet I bet like part of that is probably a safety net because the commonwealth functions like a mini nato like if you fuck with any one of those countries. Do you have 36 more countries coming after you. 22:05.15 Jesus of Nayarit Oh I didn't think was that it. 22:07.57 Duke Of Worcester I Don't know about that I don't know I don't know. Ah. 22:08.61 archpodnet Because in a lot of constitutions including Canada Australia New Zealand like in order for them to deploy troops anywhere they have to like for instance, the canadian constitution I believe this my understanding you have to ask the Queen of Canada to use the troops like the prime ministers of those countries don't actually have military authority. Have to get permission to use the queen's boys and girls. 22:32.54 Duke Of Worcester In theory yeah, that is a rubber stamp like in Britain the army swears allegiance to the queen it doesn't swear allegiance to any government they all swear allegiance to the queen. Um, and again the problem with that is is that like fascists. 22:36.25 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 22:38.27 Jesus of Nayarit Her. 22:49.61 Duke Of Worcester Use that to be like actually Britain doesn't have to uphold democracy. You don't have to vote we you know the army's only loyal to the queen and we can like suppress your opinion anytime we like um, but ah yeah I don't know. 22:57.00 archpodnet Well. 23:06.55 Duke Of Worcester Certainly Britain has like formal defense relationships with the big colonies Canada Australia New Zealand if any of those countries go to war I'm sure we would go to war too. But yeah I'm sure. Yeah, but if Barbados had a fight with Bermuda. 23:08.66 archpodnet Here. 23:14.97 archpodnet And also Nato countries. 23:24.70 Duke Of Worcester Like who's whose side. Do we go on I don't know there. Well probably bermuda because Bermuda is literally still like literally a property of the uk so we've probably got bermudas back in. That example. 23:29.41 Jesus of Nayarit It's like the end of squid gamers like you watch. 23:31.60 archpodnet Um. 23:39.94 Duke Of Worcester But Burma Barbados versus Jamaica who knows who knows. 23:40.80 archpodnet Man I'd love to see Argentina try to take on the Falklands again like who would have thought that was going to be a flashpoint. 23:49.31 Duke Of Worcester I will I'm just going to throw this out there because it it's the tail end of the episode and maybe no one's listening right now. But of all the crimes of the british empire of all the terrible things we've done of all the legitimate. Fights for freedom and independence that have been waged against Britain. The falkland islands is not 1 of them that is ours. 24:13.40 Jesus of Nayarit I. 24:19.14 Duke Of Worcester Ah, but island just like in my opinion legitimately ours. There was no one living there. We're the first people to live there. What are they on about there's no right by Argentina. 24:26.28 Jesus of Nayarit Fault where are those. 24:27.13 archpodnet Yeah, that they're outside of Argentina the argentine government tried way out the middle of nowhere. It's just sheep and some british sheepphers ah shepherds dude like it's it's and like the. 24:36.31 Duke Of Worcester Yeah, yeah. 24:39.36 Jesus of Nayarit Um, she burst and took all through too late. 24:42.93 archpodnet Sheepers. Yeah dude that the the amount of money the United Kingdom spent on keeping those islands is just look it up what happened in the falcons is just fantastic. 24:54.48 Duke Of Worcester Well, there might be ah my friend is in the royal navy and he's spent a large part of his career in the royal navy escorting ships that are prospecting for oil in the british territorial waters around the Falklands islands. So might not be just cheap for very long. You know might might have been a worthwhile investment in the end hello. That's my daughter you don't care what Daddy's talking about. Do you don't care about any of this. 25:13.99 archpodnet Hi I. 25:24.94 Jesus of Nayarit Ask her right now. What her opinions on post-colonial constitutional reform are. 25:25.50 Duke Of Worcester Have me, you're flamingo. Yeah,, let's do it one second. So We come here. 25:36.58 Jesus of Nayarit Shall she met them hey typical brit that was good. She's back. 25:38.48 Duke Of Worcester Ah, she literally ran away from me. Okay I can't do it. 25:43.54 archpodnet Well good stuff. Well Stefan as always. It's a pleasure having you on the show man. We really appreciate you taking off the time of your busy schedule being a content producer and it and a father once again, congratulations on on the six week old um yeah I mean where can our listeners find you on a. 25:53.46 Duke Of Worcester Thank you. 25:59.80 archpodnet On the webs. 26:00.59 Jesus of Nayarit You can plug. 26:04.70 Duke Of Worcester You can ah find me in the cafes of London organizing the next revolution and now probably not probably not I'm in the you can go to Youtube.com for Slash Stan Milo that's the best place to check. Me out unless you want to sign up for nebula which is a mere three dollars a month. Get a Nebula.comforward/ Stefan Milo and ah yeah, sign up that way. Sorry I shouldn't plug sponsorships on someone else's show. 26:32.78 archpodnet No, please do it? No yeah, no please God yeah. 26:36.60 Jesus of Nayarit You're fine your guest. Yeah. 26:39.90 Duke Of Worcester All right? Well then also hit up. 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