00:00.00 archpodnet All right? We are back with Serra Mark 2 48 we're talking about cars Doug had to leave us because he has kids and responsibilities and things like that so he won't be on the segment. But anyway Heather I got a really quick question for you while we're talking about these vehicles. You know a lot. We've been focusing a lot on field techs and and sometimes you are asked to. 00:08.88 Heather This. 00:19.67 archpodnet You know, use your own car to to get somewhere and in those cases you're able to often charge mileage you know for for that back to the company and usually it's like at a federal mileage rate or something like that something that's been I've been curious about as we've looked at like vehicles like the Ford lightning and all electric trucks coming out. 00:24.25 Heather Yeah. 00:37.91 archpodnet Is there a different federal mileage rate for electric vehicles since you're not actually paying for gas and maybe you're even charging it at the company's you know, headquarters and things like that. 00:40.43 Heather I So I promised to a quick answer and here's my answer I have no idea that's a really good question. That's a really good question. You know what? it's never come up So I'm gonna. 00:53.64 Bill White I have her. 00:53.85 archpodnet Ah, yeah, right. 00:54.21 Andrew Um, he yes. Ah. 00:59.93 Heather I'm going to look into that I'm very curious and then I'll maybe I can give you the information you can put it in the show notes or something so I'll get an answer for you I don't. 01:04.92 archpodnet Um, so I would say I would say if you're in a situation like like a long-term situation where you are asked to be and using your own vehicle and you're in the market for a new vehicle maybe electric and or hybrid is the way to go because if you're getting the standard federal mileage rate you could be saving and if not making some money. Because you're not spending as much on gas. 01:24.91 Heather So so yeah I mean I can give you just like a preliminary just from Lodge I mean from my logic Um, you know the the federal mileage rate is not meant to pay for gas necessarily only right? It's to pay for gas Yes, but it's also the wear and tear on your vehicle. 01:30.12 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 01:36.59 archpodnet Yeah, maintenance. Yeah. 01:38.99 Andrew Um, yeah. 01:42.43 Heather It's insurance. It's everything all encompassing so you know that's the the mileage rate went up. You know, just went up actually a month ago so to account for you know all the gas the the increase in gas. It still doesn't cover you. 01:54.39 archpodnet Um, yeah. 02:00.71 Heather So if you're doing mileage right now and I would just say if you're offered from ah you know, used to be. You can make you think you're making a little bit of money. Not really if you were only take into account that you're paying for your gas with that mileage rate. It's not true if you look at the wear and tear on your car. So when you. 02:13.30 archpodnet Sure it's good. But. 02:19.47 Heather Um I would just I would definitely have a caution to those that now you're making even less money if you want to look at it just from a gas perspective. Um now because of the the prices of gas but on top of that you know, Ah, if if. Your company gives you a choice between them giving you a truck for a project and you using your own car hands down I take the truck hands down. Yeah, you're not making money on it. Ah. 02:45.45 Andrew Totally yeah every time. 02:45.86 archpodnet So yeah, yeah, it okay, all right, all right? Well let's talk about some actual vehicles Andrew and and I think by the end of this segment. We'll have the other host think about this I want your number one you know blank check field vehicle. 02:55.30 Andrew Okay. 03:03.24 Andrew Oh at the top. Yeah yeah, totally at the end at the end at the end. Yeah so all right? so. 03:05.10 archpodnet Like you cost is no issue. We'll do that at the end. What what would you get? ah. 03:05.41 Bill White And what blank check he didn't tell me that if if is issue of money's no issue. Seriously all right. 03:14.35 Heather It's that blank check because the company is writing the check you're not yeah. 03:19.54 archpodnet That's right, That's right. 03:20.52 Andrew So my my kind of pick for you know, kind of ah low tier. You know where we don't have much money we're going to. We're gonna buy a field vehicle first I am actually not a fan of electric or hybrid even though I love the environment. You know it's super important. But at this point. 03:31.21 Heather Like me I agree E Yep yep. 03:36.66 Andrew Like how you gonna plug in your car in Yourizona you know at seven at night like you're just not the infrastructure's not there. Unfortunately I wish it was so instead what I would do is buy a full gas old school car with the best mileage possible. Um, at one of my faves I would buy an old. Nissan x terra that stick shift for cylinder I love stick shift for field vehicles. So much better than automatic and those transmissions last much longer or low and I would just get a car literally I mean an old Honda accord toy to camera kicks asked. 04:01.54 Heather Um, you 2 04:05.96 Bill White With yeah toyota camera man Toyota camera record invincible basically 04:13.19 Heather I'm here. 04:15.63 Andrew Right? right? And and it's like yeah again, you will start in the morning where all the losers with their old four by four s that have broken down are sitting in the parking lot I've seen that again and again and 1 more time so I would go with older Japanese Sedan you know again your hondas your toyotas of the world. Those are great. So those are kind of my 2 picks old Japanese San or if you want to be all 4 by 4 about it. You know older nissan stick shift 4 Cylinder X Terra 04:44.14 Bill White So you're talking these so you're you're talking about vehicles that people you know tax buying I thought we were talking about the the no limits. Okay, so if you're buying your own limits I agree with or if you're buying your own vehicle but you have real limits. 04:44.98 archpodnet So like. 04:50.39 Andrew Yes, this is you're buying your own vehicle. 05:00.94 Andrew Um. 05:01.92 Bill White I'd agree. However I would say my favorite pick is like an old ten or fifteen year old Toyota Siena because you've got tons of room. It's also pretty economical. It's going to be older. It's designed for children and it has all the space to put all the gear in plus all the people. 05:15.57 Andrew Um, right. 05:21.14 Bill White And 1 that's ten years old or so you're also going to get the Dvd player so that you can you know watch you can plug in your phone or whatever and watch Tv in the back. It's got a whole tv set up in there. Um, and the only thing you have to worry about about the minivans is that they're a heavy vehicle and car tires that eat tires. 05:38.35 Andrew Right? I. 05:40.23 Bill White But if you don't really need to worry about it I mean that thing is so comfortable like if you're in the desert and you need to sit in that thing for a few hours for lunch or whatever you want to do notes you get there early. It rains like everybody can get in there and there's no real problems whatsoever and it's not an suv so there's not people clamoring to that third seat in the back. 05:56.96 Andrew Right? Yeah oh I think that's an excellent choice by the way just a killer choice. 05:58.75 Bill White You know which is just basically a trick right? and it gets way better gas mileage. So I'd throw that out there too. 06:05.57 Heather Yeah, and I'm I'm not going to give um a ah you guys are already covering it but I would say just from an experience for my own personal experience I had a Toyota echo. It was my first field b field vehicle. 06:09.41 archpodnet Heather yeah. 06:23.60 Heather Nobody would think that that would be a good field vehicle. It was the best probably 1 of the best I've ever had even with companies buying stuff which is really funny. It's like a small little I I drove that thing to just under three hundred thousand miles it was it went on like and it was a stick shift and so it. 06:25.97 Andrew Um, right. 06:28.83 Bill White Yep. 06:35.76 Andrew Right? m. 06:36.79 Bill White Um, Wow. Wow. 06:42.70 Heather So if you have a stick shift even with a non-truck vehicle low vehicle. You can actually get up with good tires. You can get up some pretty good inclines if you know how to use stick shift. So stick shift is key. Um, and so I'm bringing that example up because it just shows you You don't. 06:48.63 Andrew Um, yep, so true. 06:51.92 Bill White Yeah, yeah. 07:02.47 Heather Have to go out and say oh I have to buy a car for specifically to be a field tech. It's not necessarily true. Um, so if you already have a car look at what you have and see if that works. Um, how do you up. 07:07.38 Andrew Right? Not at all. 07:17.76 Heather You know how do you improve the vehicle you have make sure you have good tires put the money in the good tires and um, when you're also when you're buying a vehicle make sure it doesn't require ah except for trucks obviously but kind of look at the type of tires again, you're going to need a gearhead like somebody like Andrew to come with you. But. 07:33.97 Andrew Right. 07:34.37 Bill White Um, who ah. 07:35.91 archpodnet Yeah. 07:37.24 Heather Make sure it doesn't have weird tires on it. They're going to be really expensive because you will go through tires and companies will not reimburse you for it. So also when you buy tires get the insurance on them. Um, totally worth it. Absolutely 100% worth it. 07:41.76 Andrew Yeah. 07:47.96 Andrew And and. 07:50.80 Bill White Um, yeah. 07:54.99 Heather When you're in the field because you're picking up nails even in an urban environment. You're going to be puncturing your tires. It's the best investment you can make. 07:57.47 Bill White Yeah, yeah, and also it's all I'm glad you said something about that having a real tire two instead of the new inflator. Whatever things like. 08:01.14 Andrew Yeah, yeah. 08:02.30 archpodnet Just. 08:07.90 archpodnet Yeah. 08:07.91 Andrew Totally. 08:08.10 Heather Yeah. 08:10.10 Bill White Even if you just have to put it in the trunk like put a real tire in there because you will get flats to an archeology. Yeah yeah. 08:15.95 Andrew Yeah, yeah, I'm like crying because both of those examples were so good. Thank you guys you? ah Bill and like it's so good. Um I think it's yeah. 08:16.52 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 08:16.74 Heather Tires are key. Yeah. 08:24.99 Bill White Ah. 08:25.18 archpodnet And and you know, ah yeah I want to mention too. You know like when my wife and I first decided to to kind of head head west from the southeast and we sold both of our smaller cars because back up back there. You know we didn't. Didn't really need a field vehicle so to speak we would go to the we would go to the office and we would take the the company trucks to go out for the week you know it was all Monday through Friday out there that you were off and then you'd come back for the weekend typically because a lot of things are just closer in the southeast and out here in the west though. And we were knew we were coming out west and we knew we didn't want 2 vehicles you know once we you know, got together. So we sold both of our vehicles. We actually leased a toy to forerunner a brand new toy to forerunner and the reason we leased it was because well first off, the reason we got a forerunner high clearance. So we know we could go pretty much anywhere without modifying it. Ah. 09:11.18 Andrew Um. 09:17.52 Andrew Um, yeah. 09:19.38 archpodnet We could lay the seats down flat which is a nice Toyota feature that most of them have I don't know if every Toyota has that feature but the the tub Tacoma had later did that the foreerunner did that so you could even like sleep in the back of the forerunner pretty easily if you needed to but we fit all of our stuff back there because we got rid of our apartment. Literally moved everything into the forerunner and lived out of that for about a year and a half while we were shovel bubbing across the United States to get to the west and so we had everything in there and we leased it because it was two thousand and seven eight when the gas prices went over $4 for the first time. 09:44.94 Andrew Yep. 09:52.44 archpodnet And they were predicted to hit like $8 they never did. But I think we hit as high as like five six dollars and and so I was like well I don't want to have to sell this when we get to the west and maybe we get something different and have gas prices be so high in trying to sell a vehicle that gets eighteen miles to the gallon so that's not like. 09:53.18 Andrew Um. 10:07.40 Andrew Right. 10:10.98 archpodnet Something I wanted to do so we leased it and and it ended up being a pretty good deal for us real quick deal on leases if you do get a lease. We went way over our mileage and they say you get charged so much per mile. But here's a dirty little secret that Toyota doesn't tell you and I don't know if other companies are the same but we. Rolled that lease into the purchase of our Prius when we moved in we got here in Reno and because we rolled it into the purchase of a new Toyota. All the mileage any damage because we scraped a shit out of the inside of that forerunner with all of our stuff and all of that was wiped out didn't get charged for a single bit of it. Yep, didn't get charged for a single bit. Yeah. 10:41.35 Heather Um I did that I did the same thing. Yep yep. 10:43.68 Andrew Nice. 10:47.77 archpodnet So if we'd walked away and bought something else from another dealership. We'd been charged for all of that. Yeah yeah I don't know if they're still doing that. 10:50.69 Heather Tip. 10:51.62 Bill White That that's pretty sweet to know so we are when are we going to get to the like all right I guess i' just going to kick it off from. 10:55.78 Andrew Um, yeah. 11:00.87 Andrew Yeah, do it. 11:01.25 archpodnet Yeah, the Bell do it. 11:03.62 Bill White Yeah, so the vehicle the number 1 vehicle that just if you're a company if you can afford it if whatever and you're just going to do archeology forever for archeology if you can afford it is an f one fifty because it will last forever. It is super generic. There's a million places that can work on them. Ah, they can a full size truck like that can hold all your stuff in the back and like I said afford it ah gas is horrible. No on an f one 50 minutes it's going to cost a lot of money to get from place to place but you seriously in the field like the companies that I worked for when they got the silverados those things were rubbish. 11:32.44 Andrew Um, yeah. 11:38.16 archpodnet M. 11:39.49 Bill White If they ever tried to get something smaller like a small truck that I like you know what I have it doesn't actually hold all the gear in it. So those things suck and there's not enough space for people to get in of six five by the way so you know for me getting in the back like it pretty much has to be Silverado or Sierra or something like that otherwise my legs can't fit in. 11:50.24 Heather A. 11:53.96 Andrew Right. 11:57.84 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 11:59.80 Bill White But if there was no limit if money was no limit of course like 1 of the ruggedized Mercedes Sprinter Vans like with solar and all that stuff. There's no, there's no way that can you know that thing to me seems like it's like twenty first century like Safari. 12:08.35 Andrew Um, yeah. 12:09.56 archpodnet Nice. 12:13.38 Andrew Um, yeah, yeah. 12:14.50 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 12:15.61 Bill White Like you're way out there. You know what I'm saying like way out in the you know jungle or desert or something like that you can just basically subsist and if if you like to geek out you know and watch those van life things like see what people who are crazy and just spending their money on stuff that is not really functional. See what they do to those Mercedes Sprinter Vans like 12:32.30 archpodnet Who. 12:32.54 Andrew Right? right. 12:33.27 Heather You have. 12:34.90 Bill White Crazy. They've got like Bunk Beds Man sofas like Xbox like everything in it I mean you basically have like some kind of James Bond Field vehicle but of course you know it's you know $100000 companies aren't going to do that I don't think you should do it at all either. But you know that's my that's my money's no limit. 12:37.93 Andrew Me. 12:43.23 archpodnet Yeah. 12:44.78 Andrew And. Um, yeah. 12:54.83 archpodnet Nice. 12:54.85 Bill White Field vehicle and. 12:57.20 Andrew That's awesome. All right? Um I'll go next first I just a short story. My very first field vehicle was a 1972 volvo 43 sedan and it was awesome. Just this the square boxy. Um. Sedan right? 2 door. Oh it kicked out it that that thing was tough. Um second my current field vehicles and 1991 is zozu trooper the last of the boxy ones which I love in a door stick shift you know like we were saying before base model. But if money was no options had it since 2000. 13:21.30 archpodnet M. 13:26.66 Heather How many years have you had that Andrew you've had that a long time. Yeah I'm just about to say I remember awesome. Yeah. 13:32.50 Andrew I've and I bought it used I bought it to I bought it used for 2 grand body used for two grand. It's absolutely I love it. But ah so um I would actually recommend an old or maybe a through 97 is zoo trooper. But ah, they're pretty old. 13:32.88 Bill White Yeah, my wife one of those things they're invincible. They rule. Yeah. 13:38.96 archpodnet Yeah. 13:49.54 Andrew Anyway, money's no option 2 things First bill's choice of the 4 f one 50 I would just concur is excellent, especially if you're out in the west you know those areas like in New Mexico Arizona you got a ton of like highway miles. They're so good for that as well. Um. 14:04.17 Bill White Yep. 14:06.73 Andrew But money's no option honestly I would buy a base model Toyota forunner with a stick shift. Yeah stick shift small engine. You know? yeah. 14:09.78 Heather And that was good to be mine. Yeah. 14:15.51 Bill White Ah, you wouldn't even. 14:16.48 archpodnet Andrew and you're that person that says if you won the lottery. What would you do I would invest it all into high yields stock and bonds shut up. He's no Jack ah, ah. 14:21.23 Andrew I swear because what would I why would a hundred grip. 14:24.84 Bill White Ah I eat butter and jelly. But and up the peanut butter quality you're like come on think. 14:30.75 Andrew Totally because peanut bar and Jelly success. So I am I am not kind but you know I could say something I know that I could be like oh I'd look a porsche cayenne I totally wouldn't those vehicles are stupid. You know, but ah. 14:30.77 archpodnet Ah, almond butter. Ah. 14:38.37 Bill White Up boy. 14:41.26 archpodnet Yeah, they are. 14:43.58 Heather Um, okay I've got one I've got one I've got I've got mine for like would love this a raptor. 14:44.67 Andrew Ah, Toyota forerunner is like the king of the ill it is. It's the best 1 yeah. 14:45.77 Bill White Ah, ah yeah, yeah, does rule. 14:46.94 archpodnet Yeah, all right? heather. 14:57.92 Andrew Um, ah yeah, they are are right. 14:59.46 Bill White Ah, yeah, Silver Ra yeah. 15:00.16 Heather I'll tell you what I those are amazing I actually didn't even know they existed because I'm not like Andrew I mean I know I know trucks only because of this business right? but um, and because you know purchase them and stuff or it will leas them. Ah so. 15:16.19 archpodnet Ah. 15:19.13 Heather I had a we have a client that we were as an agency client and um, we went out and and I drove up and I I have a nice truck brand new like 2021 Chevy Colorado with the cab and the the. You know containers and everything and I got I have a rack on it. You know my company is nice enough I go to tell them these are the things that I would like to see and I pull up and I'm like I'm proud of my truck and then the clients like oh we're Goingnna go in our truck I'm like I'm fine with that's going in my truck. They're like no no, no, we're gonna go and. 15:40.48 Andrew Um, right. 15:50.21 Andrew Um, yeah. 15:55.58 Heather Our truck and I was like okay so up pulls this big, beautiful red raptor with everything on it and the person driving. It is tiny just cute little girl a woman. She's it's and ah tough as nails though she's fire for a fire fire woman. Um. 16:00.56 Andrew A raptor. Yeah, ah yeah. 16:06.73 archpodnet Oh my god. 16:14.93 Andrew Um. 16:15.32 Heather And basically it's I live in Santa Barbara um after the montecial mud debris flow whatever there was celebrities that were pumping you know trying to give gifts to departments fire departments. 16:20.76 Andrew Yep. 16:31.75 Heather And a celebrity gave the fire. The the raptor to the fire department and wanted this specific person to drive it. But anyway so we got to drive and she said she just loved she had I think she said she had a Chevy Colorado too and she loved that thing or no it was a 4 f one fifty. It was and. 16:39.60 Andrew Yes. 16:49.79 archpodnet Um. 16:50.69 Heather She loved that thing and she did not want to give that up even though they were going to give her this and but as soon as she got in it and then she so had to you know sometimes they have to sleep in the trucks that thing is unbelievably huge. We fit 4 people in the backs seat with lots of room and they weren't small people. 17:05.69 Andrew Yeah, ah. 17:05.70 Bill White Ah. 17:06.20 archpodnet Nice. 17:08.96 Heather Then I it is has everything it has like a Tv it has. It's like a little mid r that thing so that would be my number one if I'd know money's not the object or ah, not you know, but money's no object I'd want the raptor um I think ah I'd go with um for a mid. 17:11.31 Bill White The. 17:21.70 archpodnet Um, yeah, okay. 17:22.83 Andrew Ah. 17:23.82 Bill White Um, yeah, those rule are. 17:28.69 Andrew Um, right? um. 17:28.87 Heather Whatever like like realistic Toyota Tacoma we have one that's like 20 years old I shouldn't say 20 maybe fifteen years old and that thing will go anywhere. It is and it it's amazing. Um, so ah, that would be my top pick. 17:31.91 archpodnet Yeah. 17:34.80 Bill White Ah, yeah. 17:40.24 Bill White They are. 17:40.77 archpodnet Yeah. Okay, well I hear you? Yeah I mean I'm I'm six one and my Tacoma was I liked my Tacoma again. It was a twenty fifteen I was very comfortable inside of there. 17:47.31 Bill White I'm just too tall too tall for the Tacoma if you're if you're tall. The Tacoma is not going to work. Your legs are too long. Yeah. 17:48.13 Heather And has lots of room. So ah, not too bad, really. 17:48.19 Andrew Yeah, yeah, I almost I'm 6 one and even for me. Yeah, it's on the edge. 18:04.25 archpodnet Um, I never sat in the backseat and so I don't know about that. But you know I was yeah yeah, yeah. 18:04.71 Andrew But that yeah yeah, yeah, and dude and my trooper the trooper dude I can but like a top hat and it's fine as you know it's awesome. 18:04.97 Bill White Well see. That's the thing nobody ever saw in the back because you were 6 one. 18:10.85 Heather Well the to call. Okay, so I'm with. 18:16.26 archpodnet Nice. 18:17.69 Heather This one I I think it's the it's the Suv where it's completely open in the back and you could put the backs seats back that seems to have room although I'm not six five but it does seem to have more room than the average truck in the backseat to me. But again I'm not six five so 18:25.83 archpodnet Um, yeah, right right? Well let me let me give my ah my pecs and then we'll end this show So I would have to say. 18:42.44 archpodnet Again, just as ah is an all-around offthe-s shelf field vehicle that you don't have to do anything to I have to go with the Tacoma as well. Um, just because it's got a super high clearance I don't know how many field vehicles I've been in that hit something in the middle because the the people are driving down a 2 track and they don't realize how. 18:50.91 Heather Yeah. 18:58.75 archpodnet How high the middle of the two track is and there's just like a boulder that hits the you know the transmission or something like that and it's just like oh my god so you know the Tacoma is naturally just higher without doing anything to it and not only is it higher but it's narrower than say bigger trucks like a tundra or an FOne 50 or or something like that. Um. 19:06.99 Andrew Ah. 19:13.15 Heather Right. 19:18.90 archpodnet Bill thinks that I'm going to pick the rivian or something like that in the comments here that we have however I know I am realistic and I know that I know that ah and listen. 19:24.59 Andrew Ah. 19:26.26 Bill White Ah, you can put it into a cactus out there. 19:30.63 Andrew Um, yeah. 19:34.23 archpodnet I I put my hundred dollar deposit down on the tesla cyber truck a week after you were able to so Elon Musk has had my hundred dollars for 4 years so listen but here's the thing I know I'm a realistic and and I know that a fully electric truck while I love like the Ford lightning. 19:38.60 Bill White So up. Oh. 19:42.46 Andrew Ah, ah what. 19:51.71 archpodnet Um, the f one fifty lightning version. All that stuff. It's just not realistic yet because the range isn't there to get you out and back I've been in so many situations where you're putting on. You know, two hundred plus miles a day and that's just not comfortable place to be in right when you're getting back to the hotel room and you've got. Twenty miles of charge left right? like it's just not it just doesn't feel great. So but I do think hybrid is the way to go I don't think there's any reason not to get a hybrid especially in 2023 especially in 24 nearly every major manufacturer coming out with something that's at least a hybrid and I think you're almost being irresponsible not getting that. That being said for my pick and you guys aren't even going to know what hit you if you haven't seen these before it's in the comments and it'll be in the show notes. But for my pick for field text if you've got $300000 is an earth roamer. So the earth roammer. 20:34.23 Heather A. 20:35.50 Bill White Oh I know this one I know this one? Yeah yeah, this thing is unreal. 20:41.70 Heather Who Wow Ah, that's awesome. Oh my gosh. 20:44.14 archpodnet The earth romers built basically it's basically built on a Ford I think an f 3 50 chassis and bigger and it is it is luxury luxury like truck topper camping. It's not even a topper. It's built into the vehicle. It's high clearance. It'll literally go anywhere. 20:51.87 Bill White Ah, ah. 20:59.36 Heather That's amazing. 21:01.55 archpodnet But try to find 1 for under $200000 a used. Ah. 21:02.64 Heather Everybody looked this up. This is cool looks like a tank. Oh my gosh. That's awesome. 21:02.75 Andrew Yeah, yeah. 21:05.96 Bill White Ah, you I was going to if you look it up seriously is like a fire station like you know Command Center. It's like what you see in the force that's like Command Center for all the forest firefighters. What. 21:12.70 archpodnet Yeah. 21:18.22 archpodnet Well we we were in the craters of the moon national park this last week we were in creators of Moon National Park this last week and we're in the campground now the campground is only like twenty bucks a night right? because it's a it's a national forest or national park and. 21:18.79 Heather Ah I want this. 21:33.30 archpodnet An Earth roamer comes in and I'm like dude you could be actually out on the lava fields. What are you doing here. Why are you even in a campground I Totally judged him for it and my my wife was like I know I know. 21:35.26 Bill White Um, away. 21:39.60 Heather Wow. 21:40.47 Andrew Good. 21:40.76 Bill White Yeah, exactly look at I mean this thing is nicer than the apartments I stayed in before in the past like what is this? It's crazy. It's got tops man. 21:48.55 Heather The inside's beautiful. 21:50.57 archpodnet Yeah, but you know speaking I know speaking speaking realistically though I Do think if you're going to be ah ah I don't want to say a true shovel bum. But if you really are traveling around. You don't have a home base and and especially if you're doing some some out west like camping jobs and stuff like that. I do think a pretty robust truck like I mean something at least an f 1 50 or higher. Um and a camper topper because you can get some really good toppers these like a camper like a real camper that you can you can stay in I think it's a good idea because even if you have to take it into some rugged areas. 22:12.66 Bill White Um, yeah. 22:13.84 Heather Okay, yeah. 22:23.67 archpodnet You can relatively easily just take that camper off just put the legs down and pull the truck out and then leave it somewhere you know and then go out and do stuff So I think it's good for people traveling around. 22:25.62 Bill White Um, yeah. 22:29.78 Heather I This brings up This was one thing I just wanted to add on to the end of this is that if you are going to get a truck. You really should have a cover on it like a cab on it or if it's your because why. 22:34.34 Andrew Ah. 22:41.79 archpodnet Just for security. Yeah yeah. 22:42.47 Bill White Um, yeah. 22:44.75 Andrew Yep. 22:45.77 Heather You're going to go. Let's say you're going to go to a hotel you're gonna have everything in the back of the truck and now you're gonna have to load everything into the hotel room. So that's like the best investment you can make is something that is lockable like if you can't have a full cap on it but have a cover but it's got to be secure so that people can't break in. So. 22:51.10 Andrew Absolutely. 22:55.27 archpodnet It is yeah. 23:00.96 Andrew Totally. 23:03.23 archpodnet Right. 23:03.88 Bill White Yeah, you you had a shell you had a shell on your Tacoma right? Chris because I have I have a um 2019 Ford Ranger and I have a shell on it. 23:05.18 Heather That is key. 23:09.69 archpodnet That's right. 23:15.40 archpodnet Yep I got my I got my shell by almost backing into a dude at a Starbucks because he ran behind my truck and I saw him in the in the camera and the tailgate and he's like hey I just crashed my Tacoma it's been totaled but the camper shell is perfectly fine. Do you want it and he sold it to me for eight hundred bucks and it's like a $2500 23:17.63 Bill White Oh. 23:29.90 Heather Nice. 23:29.97 Andrew Wow. 23:30.25 Bill White Sweet. Yeah I Totally agree. 23:31.87 archpodnet Shell and so I was like hell y' I'll take that if fit just fine. So yeah, but anyway, um, ah, let's let's let's have ah. Audiences picks for for vehicles if you want to send us ah something through our contact information on the show notes. Um, there's some Twitter handles there. There's some email addresses. You can just do Chris at archeologyponetwork.com or hit us up. If you're actually listening to this episode on archaeo field text before you go and comment on it if somebody posts it. Um I might post it if I want because I'm curious on feedback. But if you're actually listening to this yeah put in the comments your your favorite field vehicles. You know what are what are your picks and and I'd like to know your your money is no object pics. 24:03.42 Heather A. 24:13.75 Bill White Or also what's the craziest field vehicle you've ever seen. What's the craziest I Want to know that too I Want to know crazy. 24:15.30 archpodnet Because those are really fun as well. So yeah, yeah, totally totally so all right guys? Well thanks, a lot This has been a fun episode to do and again send us your picks and we will see you next time. 24:18.86 Heather Yeah. 24:20.70 Andrew That's a great one. 24:34.22 archpodnet All right? Let's hold this for the outro. No not yet doug all right I got to leave I want to leave that in there all right? all right here we go here. We go. 24:34.92 Heather Bye Oop sorry. 24:37.29 Andrew It. 24:40.46 Heather What would it be first. Yeah. 24:41.33 Bill White Ah, then I love it I Love it I'm always the good kid too and I'm waiting for someone to be bad. 24:50.28 Heather And know I'll leave that for a second. 24:52.81 archpodnet Thanks everyone for joining me this week thanks also to the listeners for tuning in and we'll see you in the field goodbye. 24:56.60 Heather By everyone. 24:57.90 Andrew See you guys next time. 24:58.66 Bill White Goodbye. 25:00.99 archpodnet All right.